(OP) Doesn’t look like “bullshit infighting” to me.
At this point some clear action needs to be taken since this group is obviously going to make themselves a recurring issue. I’m glad someone brought it to light.
cool, but it looks like bullshit infighting to me. it looks like screenshots of people making unsubstantiated claims dumped next to text of even MORE unsubstantiated claims. this wasn’t in chat, this wasn’t even in a place any of the talents could see; it’s all a nothingburger and I’m still failing to see why I should give a shit.
quote tweeting the termination notice and replying under it saying cover should’ve suspended someone else is questionable. but shinri also follows one of the their friends (sushi) on twitter somewhere he could see though… since she replied to that tweet
sought out a photo of what you’re talking about. I’m supposed to care because these people… vaguely alluded to wanting someone else terminated? a shit thing to do publicly where a talent could see, but I’m not seeing a namedrop anywhere in there. why should I care why do I care why am I still here you dramatic little leaches have finally broken me
sry guess I’m the dumb one then, so could you tell me what’s going on without pulling privately sent messages out of your ass? acting like someone publicly called for one of the boys’ executions over a vague tweet is psycho behavior man. what they said is fucking stupid but past that it’s all pedantic infighting. get your head out of your ass.
dont call for someone else to be terminated because your friends are mentally ill idiots. instead of celebrating gamma and his fans they made it about themselves.
and you seem to not want to actually explain why I’m supposed to care? I keep seeing the same names with the same bullshit over and over, this isn’t the first time I’ve had to scroll past it and especially after all the shit today it’s seemingly not going to be the last. ofc I’m “invested” I want to see hornyposting about my oshi not middleschool locker drama ffs
Then literally just don’t care then? No one is telling you to care?
You complain that it takes 5min to load this page while also being one of the reasons why it takes so long and all for a dumbass question. Just coz you don’t see the point of caring so then don’t?
let me reword some of it then, sorry. I’m asking “why should I care” as in “why the fuck do so many people HERE care”? I thought so much talk meant something actually bad happened. next time I ask my “dumbass question” I’ll come more prepared for the dumbass answers
again, ask a stupid question expect to get treated like you’re stupid.
people here care because they made a termination unrelated to them, all about how they wanted someone else to be terminated. do you not see how disrespectful that is?
while youre here can you fill us in on deets? is this mf an actual honest to god manipulator that needs to be avoided or is it just strictly a personal issue between Tako and him?
The server WAS the public Vesper server for the year+ that it operated, has 430~ members, is still included in the affiliate circles for a bunch of the public Holostars EN fanservers, and still states a public invite link in the rules (although expired). Looks like you need housekeeping if it’s truly been privated. A server of that size and history is NOT equivalent to a private DM group for such a notable member to be calling for the termination of talents.
But the Discord server has a Xitter account where people can find its existence and a post where it invites anyone to ask for the invite link in DMs, that sounds like a semi-public server doesn’t it even if the invites are controlled? It’s not like it is a secret club only friends know about and you have any rules about not sharing anything that happens on that server (or Discord TOS forbids that afaik they do not have that rule) (unless you do have that rule, then I retract my statement but even then :I )
You’re all valid to have your opinions about the topics you discuss on this message board. I won’t block you from that but I just wanted to clarify that the server isn’t a public server.
I mean you want leakers to be at least be factual than semi-factual right?
Something that confuses me about Tako’s GB allegations is that it sounds like she thinks there’s at least one other particular person who actually is receiving romantic attention from Goldbullet, and knows that person met up with him in person. Whether romantic or not, this substantiates that he’s to some degree been in extended contact with another fan in private DMs and has met up with that fan. That’s incredibly stupid.
anon, did you actually look into what those grooming allegations were? the contents of that callout you are talking about are literally just a kid trying to weasel their way out of the consecuences of tracing his art by canceling him first. that’s all it was. zero evidence of him being a pedo or even acting odd towards them
I don’t think it’s “too far” to be posting what’s been heavily and publicly alluded to by members of this friend group for ages now.
But I do think we shouldn’t make character based attacks on Tako in this situation. Not because she’s credible, but because this is an obviously mentally unwell person and I don’t want to see her get pushed to something serious as a result.
^this ins have seen so many infights that have led to real breakdowns from real people behind the screen, increased anxiety. None of these dudes (not even my kamioshi) is worth my mental health bruh pls. You can express yourself without tearing others down.
Alright, that wasn’t as hard to find as I thought. Reminder that public invite discords are public, and vestie drama should never be trusted as anything more than hearsay.
thats fucking bonkers. i can see it 50/50 being not true, but some anons make a good point that she is one of the bigger gachis. also i feel like she got to this point because of how active she was in vespers community previously. i remember, multiple times, vesper addressing her directly on stream. im not saying its his fault for creating this type of fanbase, but i think that allowed her to unlock an exclusive parasocial relationship and put herself on a leash next to them.
saying this before this hopefully disappears since it’s crossed the line into discussing fans again. Tako, you’re only doing harm to yourself by coming here and looking at this shit. Go to therapy, get some help, and get off of here and /mans/ for your own sake.
I’m curious about what they mean “meeting up with fans” because it seems like a couple boys go to conventions and meet fans and have photos together, which seems to be okay.
This stood out to me, too. Unlike the other boys being mentioned, GB’s PL hasn’t been active and his face has never been posted. Therefore nobody would know that he’d been at a convention and able to meet fans unless he personally told them through some avenue we don’t know about, aka DMs.
As long as they don’t go hey come meet Gavis bettel/magni desmond then yea it’s fine, they can meet some random guy at a con/whatever their PL name is just don’t cross lines…oi vey
6th May: goldbullet unfollows tako on twitter
8th May: tako claims they’re divorced and she is exiling him, has moved on to shinri
13th May: claiming to feel distant from gibby while promoting his birthday projects
14th May: claims she’s not a fan of his VP voice acting, offers to leak menshi and VPs to another fan
27th May: venting about the gb birthday projects, claiming people were rude to her, admitting she failed to submit her work on time and being scared she’s gonna be reprimanded for it by the team, instead decides to quit entirely and have her name taken off the credits
27th June: random feeler asking if anybody has gibby’s T4 menshi
2nd July: venting about reporting gibby to cover for emotional manipulation and scamming
9th July: venting about family, heavily implied she tried to get into an actual romantic relationship with gibby, he refused/was stubborn and wouldn’t listen to her so she gave up on it
(I don’t think the person in this sc is bad or anything. This is just here to show how some people close to/mutuals of tako are reacting to her talking about GB on her alt. Don’t go harassing them or anything like that)
RE: 8th – 13th May dropping GB for Shinri, remembered these out of nowhere /mans/ posts pointing at the situation, sure enough they’re stamped 12th May. Really looking like the sudden influx of anonymous vagueposting about GB grooming/graduation/doing wrong in the past three months was all down to him unfollowing her on twitter. https://warosu.org/vt/thread/77905445#p77932506 https://warosu.org/vt/thread/77905445#p77933514
Random extra: there’s been a ritualposter in /mans/ saying “terminate groombullet” with a picture of Shinri every thread that was jokingly assigned ‘ok tako’ status. It started on the 27th of June, which is also the date when she’s seen gathering menshi evidence for her reports in discord. Hmm.
Good that he apparently put his foot down but wouldn’t this being true mean that he’d continued to be in her DMs up until a recent point? As opposed to their private communication ending after the initial problems with her after his debut like most fans thought?
Didn’t one of the boys say don’t stick it in crazy…why the hell would you get this far WITH A FAN? I’m sorry 100% blame on Gibby for crossing lines, and him pulling back makes sense. I hope everything else isn’t true tho man I can’t take another grad/termination.
As a Bubby I think Gibby is just a naive idiot. I mean that in a positive way, because I don’t think he was trying to manipulate anyone. He is probably only used to normal fan interactions from his PL and not crazy menheras from the corpo vtuber fandom.He still should’ve known better and cut contact right away, but I want to say he’s finally learned by now considering he broke contact with her a couple months back.Honestly we shouldn’t ignore the possibility Tako was manipulating him. Gibby is a huge emotional cry baby. She could’ve been telling him sob stories to keep his attention and make him feel like he couldn’t just ignore her. We’re never gonna see that though because Tako won’t leak it and Gibby definitely won’t leak it.
I’m not babying Gibby and idk tako but clearly SOMETHING significant happened for her to react this way and her friends obviously no enough. if there’s someone else in involved they could come forward because wtf is happening?
He’s a grown fucking man anon. Regardless of tako’s weird behavior he made bad decisions. Don’t go uwuifying a real adult and don’t assume just because you enjoy someone’s streams you’ve seen the whole of who they are. This is true of any content creator.
I’m not willing to support somebody who didn’t learn after he got burned the first time. He has experience with this type of fan from his PL, too. Also, “manipulation”?? This is ridiculous
dude im sorry but he’s a grown man in his 20s. this is how so many weirdos get away with doing creepy shit for too long is because people excuse their actions.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he may have just thought she was a quirky chatter, and wanted to get in touch as a fan of randon/vesper to appreciate her loud enthusiasm in the fanbase. Looking back at the personal account screencaps, one of them says he was looking out for her when she was “relapsing badly”. He may have gotten in over his head too fast when a compliment went astray, and been unable to drop her due to concerns about her mental health. Idk if he would have had fans dropping such heavy stuff on him as an indie.
I am not a bubby but I also see this. His naivety was also what got him into trouble in his PL when that girl falsely accused him of grooming as retaliation for being called out for tracing his art.
We can see a similar controversy happening this time when he became overly friendly with his fans but when he rejected them & they got upset, they start throwing accusations to pull him down too.
This is not to excuse him either, he shouldn’t have DMed his fans like that & should’ve place boundaries earlier so he can protect his professional image. He should be given stricter PR training if he hasn’t gotten already.
If he was smart he would have stopped contacting her completely after the first time round where she blew up the situation like he was hitting on her. Stupid on stupid.
yeah i genuinely don’t know why he’d ever get into contact her and enable someone like this. if he wanted art or project organization surely he could have just i don’t know asked a fucking manager and not someone so menhara from a literal fandom space? i’m glad that they cut contact but this is why you can’t give fans preference like this. it always turns into a shit show because a lot of people on the internet are mentally unwell.
^100% ALWAYS. Even the tame ones are borderline menhara and sketchy behind the scenes and do not mess with your strongest soldiers they will cut you down like they did Caesar.
This is really sad, and makes me concerned for her mental health.. I hope she has offline friends because it seems like she needs to step away from this and find actual psychiatric help. So many people have said before getting to talk to or send money to your oshi doesn’t mean they’ll ever love you. It’s like excepting strippers in a strip club to love you and date you after you give them money. It’ll never happen. (side note, I checked her twitter just now, and putting hiatus in your header and vague tweeting about something that happened here really really isn’t a good look if you wanna look like a trustworthy source..)
(above op) And now she’s private. Girlie we all know you’re on here or atleast one of your friends sending you info from here and /MANS/. Please stop pussyfooting around the issue. If you genuinely and I mean this truly because I don’t want the image or brand of stars to be ruined by one bad actor, have proof of any of the shit GoldBullet did that you alleged in these messages just come out with it. Believe it or not cover and their manager actually do monitor social media issues. If not, stop doing nothing and lying and exaggerating the situation and for the love of god. Get off the internet and leave Shinri alone.
the issue here is that it doesnt matter if Shinri indulges her or not. when someone is *this* delusional, they dont need the object of their admiration to reciprocate in order to start seeing things where theres nothing happening
I think nonnie is just speaking comparatively to GB who has apparently been feeding into her obvious delusion through continued contact. So yes, Shinri isn’t that stupid.
If this is true, and this is a BIG if because I don’t trust this friend group, this is really bad, like almost rushia level bad. How stupid are you to talk about this on a public discord though, lmao. Thanks for providing context.
how would tako even know who GB was dating or meeting with, like?? lets say that what shes saying is true, it would be widespread knowledge in the fandom because theres no way she would come into this knowledge unless those fans were telling other people. i bet ‘potentially dating another fan’ in tako language means he has publicly interacted with some fan shes decided is in a romantic relationship with him based on what the worms in her brain tell her.
she gets rejected -> GB must be dating someone else because why else would he turn her down -> she’s been emotionally manipulated/strung along -> he must be doing this to other fans -> the someone else must be a fan
Seconded on the skepticism. If this is true however, it should be a firing offense. NDA violations is not a small problem for Cover. And going out on even a single date with a fan would be…to my knowledge, unprecedented levels of sketchy for one of their talents.
Sadly, Vesper has the history of being the outcast. All those tales about his old jobs are pretty sad in hindsight. It wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t have the same level of social finesse to handle authority like the rest of the crew, and so might be punished for less. Sometimes, all it takes is the right words and promises to keep a job longer.But what do I know? I’m just another anon burnt by community cliques.
To be fair, it’s tako who’s making those accusations. The situation does look absolutely terrible but we all know she goes full delulu over her oshis/ex-oshis
Idk if I 100% doubt her, there are screenshots of her priv freaking out about GB messaging her, proof he messaged her and other fans, blocked out msgs that could’ve been from him so there is some proof floating out there to back the groomer claims.
If she was groomed, she’s an easy target because she’s (sorry tako I don’t hate you) desperate/menhara type. I’m not doubting her just because she has a bad rap in the community if she really did go through something tragic. I just want to know if they dealt with it already or if it’s ongoing like she claims
i mean she claimed that vesper also messaged her in DMs. also grooming is the act of manipulation to take advantage of a victim. what the hell does Goldie get out of grooming Tako? If this is anything like the Raz/Luca situation, one can be dependent on an individual without them doing anything to manipulate them, and then the dependent person will blame them for their own over-dependence/infatuation the moment they remove the attention the other person felt entitled to. people have somehow watered down these delusions to be “grooming” too.it would be nice if she had actual proof that he did this to her. those DMs screenshots she shared were such a nothing burger. all they proved is that Goldie is a dumbass for not knowing the hard boundaries he should have with fans.
with Vesper im not too sure. Also dont think she was actually getting in contact with him until after graduations, so he wasn’t using his Stars persona at least.
I remember one conversation she mentioned that she asked him if they could collab and he rejected it. And that usually shes the one to reach out and not the other way around (I mean dude doesnt answer messages from people that actually matter either like his bosses/coworkers so im not surprised tbh) which was why the GB stuff was exciting to her since this guy was going out of his way to talk to her.
From what Vesper/Randon’s friends do say (like the ones he plays games off stream with), he’s very professional when he does talk to them in DM’s with them almost like a business email.
With Vesper it was claims. But with GB there’s actual proof of him in the DMs of multiple fans who saw reason to misinterpret the communication. It’s not the same.
It doesn’t take much for vtuber fans to deliberately misconstrue messages to feed their own delusions. this is quite a common phenomenon actually. why do you think there’s so much drama in this community?
if he did play games and watch movies with them and reply with terms of endearment it is very easy to misconstrue the relationship. A kiss on screen vs behind the scenes hold different weight ig.
I mean, this is obvious. But it also looks like he continued contact with her after she already cause trouble for him by making it evident that she’s highly prone to that kind of thinking. He’s highly suspect in this situation.
(anon above) Yeah, I don’t trust it because there’s literally no proof, it’s just word of mouth on a discord server. but if it was it would be real bad. She does seem really mentally unstable though. Would not put it past someone like that to makeup stuff or even edit things to get the object of their previous affections in trouble.
I know people are probably sick of talking about it but it makes me so sick with anxiety I have to vent. Of course I want to trust my oshi that this whole thing is just a nothingburger but then the rational side of me chimes in that you can’t really trust anyone on the internet, least of all men… gibby please don’t have done something stupid, I don’t want to lose one of my few happinesses in this dark world… especially combined with the trauma of ganchan, this is so fucked…
GB did do something stupid by dming unhinged fans, if he dmed artists who had some grasp of reality we probably wouldnt even know about it but he let his ego get in the way and messaged parasocial morons who think a dm means theyre soulmates. i dont want him to leave holo but its clear the guy has emotional or psychological issues hes struggling with a lot more than the other three. i dont trust any online personality but i also dont think hes done anything horrible. i just think him getting therapy or working on self-help at least would go a long way in fixing some of the professionalism issues.
Currently feeling like the “da fuck they doin ova der” cat. I was scrolling through Twitter to see fan reactions of the recent news and I had a couple of posts on my feed about how GB should have been terminated instead?? I’m a HQ+VG only viewer, what’s going on???
Aside from bouts of irresponsibility and not streaming often, I think the main sore spot being brought against him is that he hasn’t been communicating on or delivering his T5 rewards.
The fan DM-ing is a red herring nonissue that mostly exists, exaggerated, outside of his fanbase.
Because the behavior ended and was addressed with Tako herself admitting she was banned from his chat. It’s not a current issue.
The recent uptick of open GB antis would be chronologically strange if it was due to the dm-ing issue.
Yes he’s absolutely stupid and impulsive but the main issue right now is his repeated failure to perform to baseline requirements as a talent. He frequently breaks rules and does not deliver on paid content, without communicating on both counts.
I just hate the vague posting. If something did happen that was inappropriate or trading insider information from cover corp with a fan and this fan in questions friend group swears something did happen with all the vague posting, they need to report it to cover and ACTUALLY make an expose thread or leave it the fuck alone. I saw the replies and they literally said it would never happen for an expose thread/twitlonger. Why not if it’s so serious and not a nothing burger that makes the person in question who’s accusing GB of this stuff look bad. I think him dming fans was super unprofessional but goddamn. If he actually did something bad you need to speak up. So immature
its extremely immature and almost selfish in a way. If someone took advantage of someone else then people need to be warned that theres a guy using his power to get over on others instead of just letting others figure out the hard way.
It has been vagueposted that Gibby had private interactions with fans early on that probably were over the line in terms of making individual fans feel like his little parasocial faves. There’s no indication that that has continued past the first month or two.
If anything, the way at least one of those people has distanced themselves from Gibby indicates he may have ceased all of that type of interaction. But the vagueposting has continued ever since.
I don’t know, it kinda feels like there’s a reason why they aren’t being public about it. Did they report? Is it actually serious?????
Even without the GB issue, Tako has a bad reputation here. She probably would have spoken up by now if she knew she wasn’t going to be bombarded by diehard fans. I just think it’s weird that a BNF that’s schizo for her oshis would be this hateful towards an ex-oshi.
I’m more scared of what GB did as well??? If the DM-ing stopped early on then why did she drop him only recently??
I’m sorry but if it was truly that serious she could and should have come out with the info. it’s worse for someone to hide like information rather than be like “Ohhhh i’m so scared of what the fans will say”. My only thought would be if she was scared the info that she had could potentially ruin holostars english as a brand (which I highly doubt) because shinri is still her other kamioshi other than orc. Who knows why she dropped him now, maybe because she felt wronged over the situation when she went schizo for it? lord knows. I ran a blockchain on her and her friends so I don’t have to see her on my timeline, I suggest others do the same.
ah sounds like he was pretty much grooming them and then broke it off because it could endanger his job without warning and now a bunch of those fans he DM’d are upset at him. They need to be open about this because there’s lots of weird content creators getting away with doing weird shit with their fans because people are too embarrassed to be open about what happened to them.
how long are terminally online people going to keep weakening the term grooming by using it for grown adults when its supposed to refer to children. im a fan of some of these guys but id have the faculties to understand and set boundaries if they tried being inappropriate, because im an adult responsible for my behavior. GB crossed boundaries by talking to idiots but he wasnt grooming them, get real.
Actually anon, grooming is someone using a position of power in a relationship to exploit others – can be your boss, your parent/step-parent, someone you admire strongly like a celebrity, vtuber perhaps – yes children are the usual victims but adults can be groomed as well.
thats not grooming, thats exploitation or harassment. grooming is when someone doesnt have the experience or maturity to understand theyre being harmed or manipulated. thats the whole point, its not just that someone is doing something bad
I’m not sure what power GB really holds in this case to be “grooming” anyone. The boys don’t have the number buff hololive has. He isn’t on a massive platform and is supported by his fans generosity almost entirely. If anything, fans hold the power in this dynamic, depending on the individual. Even if he was DMing someone wouldn’t be a case of him grooming but just being an idiot.
If that is what happened, it needs to be addressed. But “grooming” is a very serious accusation, and I’d be wary of using that term in regard to anyone’s actions without more evidence than what I have been made aware of.
Even moreso because using that particular accusation against a queer individual (which Gibby is) carries some serious baggage.
I hadn’t seen the screenshot in question! Guess that’s what I get for not looking hard enough. But the rest still applies, I think? No indication it’s still happening, and tako has distanced themselves from Gibby specifically.
That does make me a little more wary. If he did anything wrong beyond getting too close to fans, they should report him and even consider making whatever he said public.
If he attempted to take advantage of his fans, that’s not okay. If he just got too friendly and made them feel special, that’s uncomfortable but not inherently doing wrong.
Tako, Sushi, and other Randonites continue to sub GB and expect us to join them in calling him an asshole without telling us what the fuck he did. I’m sick of seeing this shit.
As a fellow Randonite, I don’t want to associate myself with their gang at all. They been obnoxious to other members of the community, being rude and blocking fellow orbs, accusing other members as “problematic”. They stand out a lot as other Randonites are usually lurkers or can’t be bothered with their bullshit.
Tako blamed GB for her parasocial delirium with him so now she’s convinced her randonite friends he’s bad or something. These people don’t even follow GB, so the only connection here can be Tako. This isn’t a real drama, this is just Tako’s friends who go along with whatever she says.
I believe tako had some other gripes with GB after getting close in dms but that’s already known. Despite those issues still being kinda vague based on those who are subtweeting.
As an orb who didn’t really follow GB, I have no idea why I’m expected to join the pitchfork mob. GB is GB, Randon is Randon. As far as I know GB didn’t personally attack Randon or expose his Vesper identity or whatnot.
Tako is a BNF who thinks she has a cult following. She’ll convince her friends GB is bad so that’s why you’ll see randon fans randomly give a shit about GB
i wish i didn’t know who she was i don’t even interact with the community but because holostars members have responded to her tweets in the past she shows up on my TL 😒
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tfw the armis page takes a fuckass long time to load so you’re left wondering what happened this time
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sitting at my puter waiting 5 full minutes just to load page full of bullshit infighting
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(OP) Doesn’t look like “bullshit infighting” to me.
At this point some clear action needs to be taken since this group is obviously going to make themselves a recurring issue. I’m glad someone brought it to light.
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cool, but it looks like bullshit infighting to me. it looks like screenshots of people making unsubstantiated claims dumped next to text of even MORE unsubstantiated claims. this wasn’t in chat, this wasn’t even in a place any of the talents could see; it’s all a nothingburger and I’m still failing to see why I should give a shit.
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quote tweeting the termination notice and replying under it saying cover should’ve suspended someone else is questionable. but shinri also follows one of the their friends (sushi) on twitter somewhere he could see though… since she replied to that tweet
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sought out a photo of what you’re talking about. I’m supposed to care because these people… vaguely alluded to wanting someone else terminated? a shit thing to do publicly where a talent could see, but I’m not seeing a namedrop anywhere in there. why should I care why do I care why am I still here you dramatic little leaches have finally broken me
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go back under your rock lol i think this is more than you can process
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sry guess I’m the dumb one then, so could you tell me what’s going on without pulling privately sent messages out of your ass? acting like someone publicly called for one of the boys’ executions over a vague tweet is psycho behavior man. what they said is fucking stupid but past that it’s all pedantic infighting. get your head out of your ass.
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dont call for someone else to be terminated because your friends are mentally ill idiots. instead of celebrating gamma and his fans they made it about themselves.
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You seem really emotionally invested in this as if you’re involved or something
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and you seem to not want to actually explain why I’m supposed to care? I keep seeing the same names with the same bullshit over and over, this isn’t the first time I’ve had to scroll past it and especially after all the shit today it’s seemingly not going to be the last. ofc I’m “invested” I want to see hornyposting about my oshi not middleschool locker drama ffs
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Use /vt/ then lol why are you trying to control the discussion here
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All I see is somebody throwing a tantrum over everybody else feeling differently than her. Grow up. If you don’t care than act like it.
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“her” oh. nevermind it all makes sense now you girls all have fun lmao
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You have to be mentally challenged in some way if you genuinely thought this site wasn’t populated by women, barring the occassional 4ch baiter.
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You realize no man types the way you do, right?
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girlie just mad she got clocked on an anon site lol
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for an alleged male you sure are good at having the most female little melties
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NTA
Then literally just don’t care then? No one is telling you to care?
You complain that it takes 5min to load this page while also being one of the reasons why it takes so long and all for a dumbass question. Just coz you don’t see the point of caring so then don’t?
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let me reword some of it then, sorry. I’m asking “why should I care” as in “why the fuck do so many people HERE care”? I thought so much talk meant something actually bad happened. next time I ask my “dumbass question” I’ll come more prepared for the dumbass answers
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Are you so dumb you can’t feed yourself? Need a little spoonfeeding? Say ahh, here comes the airplane?
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again, ask a stupid question expect to get treated like you’re stupid.
people here care because they made a termination unrelated to them, all about how they wanted someone else to be terminated. do you not see how disrespectful that is?
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Gibby’s delulu ex-BNF & her friends making it all about them while it hasn’t yet been a day since Gamma-senpai’s termination announcement
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Hi there anonymous posters. It’s me aThousandofdeeznuts (gottem). I saw that our private messages got leaked.
I’d like to clarify that the Vestie Leaf Tent is a private server and not public. Whoever said it was a public server please change it. Thankies.
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while youre here can you fill us in on deets? is this mf an actual honest to god manipulator that needs to be avoided or is it just strictly a personal issue between Tako and him?
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The server WAS the public Vesper server for the year+ that it operated, has 430~ members, is still included in the affiliate circles for a bunch of the public Holostars EN fanservers, and still states a public invite link in the rules (although expired). Looks like you need housekeeping if it’s truly been privated. A server of that size and history is NOT equivalent to a private DM group for such a notable member to be calling for the termination of talents.
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controlled invites does not a private server make
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By official definition you are right
But the Discord server has a Xitter account where people can find its existence and a post where it invites anyone to ask for the invite link in DMs, that sounds like a semi-public server doesn’t it even if the invites are controlled? It’s not like it is a secret club only friends know about and you have any rules about not sharing anything that happens on that server (or Discord TOS forbids that afaik they do not have that rule) (unless you do have that rule, then I retract my statement but even then :I )
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why does that matter lmfao thats not the biggest problem here hello
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You’re all valid to have your opinions about the topics you discuss on this message board. I won’t block you from that but I just wanted to clarify that the server isn’t a public server.
I mean you want leakers to be at least be factual than semi-factual right?
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you think anyone here cares about facts?
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bro shut up, unless you like making it worse for your group.
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Can you expand on that?
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You must not be embarrassed that you have to camp and defend yourself on an anonymous forum rn.Embarrassing…..
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Something that confuses me about Tako’s GB allegations is that it sounds like she thinks there’s at least one other particular person who actually is receiving romantic attention from Goldbullet, and knows that person met up with him in person. Whether romantic or not, this substantiates that he’s to some degree been in extended contact with another fan in private DMs and has met up with that fan. That’s incredibly stupid.
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Is it Tako’s imaginary friend, or does this person actually exist?
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do y’all ever stop and think about whether or not you have taken things too far?
love & peace and stream octavio’s aishite
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these groomer rumors have been a thing since late last year, and he has allegations from his pre Stars life.
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anon, did you actually look into what those grooming allegations were? the contents of that callout you are talking about are literally just a kid trying to weasel their way out of the consecuences of tracing his art by canceling him first. that’s all it was. zero evidence of him being a pedo or even acting odd towards them
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I don’t think it’s “too far” to be posting what’s been heavily and publicly alluded to by members of this friend group for ages now.
But I do think we shouldn’t make character based attacks on Tako in this situation. Not because she’s credible, but because this is an obviously mentally unwell person and I don’t want to see her get pushed to something serious as a result.
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^this ins have seen so many infights that have led to real breakdowns from real people behind the screen, increased anxiety. None of these dudes (not even my kamioshi) is worth my mental health bruh pls. You can express yourself without tearing others down.
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What exactly has been taken too far? These rumours have been publicly alluded to for over a month now by the people involved.
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Alright, that wasn’t as hard to find as I thought. Reminder that public invite discords are public, and vestie drama should never be trusted as anything more than hearsay.
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thats fucking bonkers. i can see it 50/50 being not true, but some anons make a good point that she is one of the bigger gachis. also i feel like she got to this point because of how active she was in vespers community previously. i remember, multiple times, vesper addressing her directly on stream. im not saying its his fault for creating this type of fanbase, but i think that allowed her to unlock an exclusive parasocial relationship and put herself on a leash next to them.
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saying this before this hopefully disappears since it’s crossed the line into discussing fans again. Tako, you’re only doing harm to yourself by coming here and looking at this shit. Go to therapy, get some help, and get off of here and /mans/ for your own sake.
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I don’t think this should disappear. It discusses a fan but imvolves fairly serious accusations.
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i agree with that. and even if these accusations aren’t true, it didn’t erase the fact that gibby did contact tako.
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The NDA and scamming are both accusations I knew about but meeting up with fans is a crazy one and I’d love to know what her basis for it is.
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wtf?? If this is true this is actually huge and wtf gibby??? are the grooming allegations real?
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I’m curious about what they mean “meeting up with fans” because it seems like a couple boys go to conventions and meet fans and have photos together, which seems to be okay.
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I can’t recall ever hearing about GB doing so though, which is interesting
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This stood out to me, too. Unlike the other boys being mentioned, GB’s PL hasn’t been active and his face has never been posted. Therefore nobody would know that he’d been at a convention and able to meet fans unless he personally told them through some avenue we don’t know about, aka DMs.
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As long as they don’t go hey come meet Gavis bettel/magni desmond then yea it’s fine, they can meet some random guy at a con/whatever their PL name is just don’t cross lines…oi vey
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they’re trying to turn gb into the next rushia/riro ron
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NGL sounds like he’s doing it to himself.
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(Halo announcer voice) yume DESTROYED
Last tako sighting in goldbullet’s server: may 9th. The breakup must have happened pretty recently… sad… such young love…
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breakup???? I think Tako’s crazy but I dont think shes this insane to falsely accuse someone of something so strange
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6th May: goldbullet unfollows tako on twitter
8th May: tako claims they’re divorced and she is exiling him, has moved on to shinri
13th May: claiming to feel distant from gibby while promoting his birthday projects
14th May: claims she’s not a fan of his VP voice acting, offers to leak menshi and VPs to another fan
27th May: venting about the gb birthday projects, claiming people were rude to her, admitting she failed to submit her work on time and being scared she’s gonna be reprimanded for it by the team, instead decides to quit entirely and have her name taken off the credits
27th June: random feeler asking if anybody has gibby’s T4 menshi
2nd July: venting about reporting gibby to cover for emotional manipulation and scamming
9th July: venting about family, heavily implied she tried to get into an actual romantic relationship with gibby, he refused/was stubborn and wouldn’t listen to her so she gave up on it
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she was talking about GB in her alt too. A mutual of hers called her on saying this without any context so she deleted it later.
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https://twitter.com/meimeigoesmoo/status/1799337072135925774
https://twitter.com/debutanteball_
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(I don’t think the person in this sc is bad or anything. This is just here to show how some people close to/mutuals of tako are reacting to her talking about GB on her alt. Don’t go harassing them or anything like that)
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RE: 8th – 13th May dropping GB for Shinri, remembered these out of nowhere /mans/ posts pointing at the situation, sure enough they’re stamped 12th May. Really looking like the sudden influx of anonymous vagueposting about GB grooming/graduation/doing wrong in the past three months was all down to him unfollowing her on twitter.
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/77905445#p77932506
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/77905445#p77933514
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Random extra: there’s been a ritualposter in /mans/ saying “terminate groombullet” with a picture of Shinri every thread that was jokingly assigned ‘ok tako’ status. It started on the 27th of June, which is also the date when she’s seen gathering menshi evidence for her reports in discord. Hmm.
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Good that he apparently put his foot down but wouldn’t this being true mean that he’d continued to be in her DMs up until a recent point? As opposed to their private communication ending after the initial problems with her after his debut like most fans thought?
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Didn’t one of the boys say don’t stick it in crazy…why the hell would you get this far WITH A FAN? I’m sorry 100% blame on Gibby for crossing lines, and him pulling back makes sense. I hope everything else isn’t true tho man I can’t take another grad/termination.
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As a Bubby I think Gibby is just a naive idiot. I mean that in a positive way, because I don’t think he was trying to manipulate anyone. He is probably only used to normal fan interactions from his PL and not crazy menheras from the corpo vtuber fandom.He still should’ve known better and cut contact right away, but I want to say he’s finally learned by now considering he broke contact with her a couple months back.Honestly we shouldn’t ignore the possibility Tako was manipulating him. Gibby is a huge emotional cry baby. She could’ve been telling him sob stories to keep his attention and make him feel like he couldn’t just ignore her. We’re never gonna see that though because Tako won’t leak it and Gibby definitely won’t leak it.
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I’m not babying Gibby and idk tako but clearly SOMETHING significant happened for her to react this way and her friends obviously no enough. if there’s someone else in involved they could come forward because wtf is happening?
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He’s a grown fucking man anon. Regardless of tako’s weird behavior he made bad decisions. Don’t go uwuifying a real adult and don’t assume just because you enjoy someone’s streams you’ve seen the whole of who they are. This is true of any content creator.
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I’m not willing to support somebody who didn’t learn after he got burned the first time. He has experience with this type of fan from his PL, too. Also, “manipulation”?? This is ridiculous
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>naive idiot
dude im sorry but he’s a grown man in his 20s. this is how so many weirdos get away with doing creepy shit for too long is because people excuse their actions.
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Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he may have just thought she was a quirky chatter, and wanted to get in touch as a fan of randon/vesper to appreciate her loud enthusiasm in the fanbase. Looking back at the personal account screencaps, one of them says he was looking out for her when she was “relapsing badly”. He may have gotten in over his head too fast when a compliment went astray, and been unable to drop her due to concerns about her mental health. Idk if he would have had fans dropping such heavy stuff on him as an indie.
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Management doko. Oh right he historically doesnt seem to utilize or listen to them
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I am not a bubby but I also see this. His naivety was also what got him into trouble in his PL when that girl falsely accused him of grooming as retaliation for being called out for tracing his art.
We can see a similar controversy happening this time when he became overly friendly with his fans but when he rejected them & they got upset, they start throwing accusations to pull him down too.
This is not to excuse him either, he shouldn’t have DMed his fans like that & should’ve place boundaries earlier so he can protect his professional image. He should be given stricter PR training if he hasn’t gotten already.
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If he was smart he would have stopped contacting her completely after the first time round where she blew up the situation like he was hitting on her. Stupid on stupid.
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yeah i genuinely don’t know why he’d ever get into contact her and enable someone like this. if he wanted art or project organization surely he could have just i don’t know asked a fucking manager and not someone so menhara from a literal fandom space? i’m glad that they cut contact but this is why you can’t give fans preference like this. it always turns into a shit show because a lot of people on the internet are mentally unwell.
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^100% ALWAYS. Even the tame ones are borderline menhara and sketchy behind the scenes and do not mess with your strongest soldiers they will cut you down like they did Caesar.
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jfc. girl needs therapy STAT
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What in the gachi?!?
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This is really sad, and makes me concerned for her mental health.. I hope she has offline friends because it seems like she needs to step away from this and find actual psychiatric help. So many people have said before getting to talk to or send money to your oshi doesn’t mean they’ll ever love you. It’s like excepting strippers in a strip club to love you and date you after you give them money. It’ll never happen. (side note, I checked her twitter just now, and putting hiatus in your header and vague tweeting about something that happened here really really isn’t a good look if you wanna look like a trustworthy source..)
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(above op) And now she’s private. Girlie we all know you’re on here or atleast one of your friends sending you info from here and /MANS/. Please stop pussyfooting around the issue. If you genuinely and I mean this truly because I don’t want the image or brand of stars to be ruined by one bad actor, have proof of any of the shit GoldBullet did that you alleged in these messages just come out with it. Believe it or not cover and their manager actually do monitor social media issues. If not, stop doing nothing and lying and exaggerating the situation and for the love of god. Get off the internet and leave Shinri alone.
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It doesn’t sound like Tako has offline friends, or even online friends who’re not parasocial. I doubt her family life is good either if she has any.
I’ve met people who’re this parasocial over vtubers or fictional characters and their real life tend to be in a bad bad bad state.
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damn she actually needs to take a break from watching her oshis and get well soon. her and her clique
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Btw Tako, I know you’re reading this, change your pfp, don’t associate Suisei with your buffoonery.
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Reading this, I feel kinda sad for tako. This level of parasocialism is super deep in mental illness.
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She needs therapy, this is such an unhealthy mindset…
Hope she learned her lesson and doesn’t try to latch onto Shinri the same way.
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Shinri’s way too smart to indulge her BS, trust.
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This man knows how to handle himself, he’d have to be blindsided and strollin in from stupid town to fall for a fan
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the issue here is that it doesnt matter if Shinri indulges her or not. when someone is *this* delusional, they dont need the object of their admiration to reciprocate in order to start seeing things where theres nothing happening
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I think nonnie is just speaking comparatively to GB who has apparently been feeding into her obvious delusion through continued contact. So yes, Shinri isn’t that stupid.
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The images won’t load for me can someone summarize?
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some ISPs block catbox, so you could try using your phone and seeing if they load there
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oh people that on this chat def gonna get a lot of hater after this. they deserve it
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If this is true, and this is a BIG if because I don’t trust this friend group, this is really bad, like almost rushia level bad. How stupid are you to talk about this on a public discord though, lmao. Thanks for providing context.
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how would tako even know who GB was dating or meeting with, like?? lets say that what shes saying is true, it would be widespread knowledge in the fandom because theres no way she would come into this knowledge unless those fans were telling other people. i bet ‘potentially dating another fan’ in tako language means he has publicly interacted with some fan shes decided is in a romantic relationship with him based on what the worms in her brain tell her.
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she gets rejected -> GB must be dating someone else because why else would he turn her down -> she’s been emotionally manipulated/strung along -> he must be doing this to other fans -> the someone else must be a fan
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that mentality is so dumb sorry
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it’s classic incel thinking
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Seconded on the skepticism. If this is true however, it should be a firing offense. NDA violations is not a small problem for Cover. And going out on even a single date with a fan would be…to my knowledge, unprecedented levels of sketchy for one of their talents.
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She’s had months to gather her evidence and send it to Cover, but not a thing has happened yet so I assume she’s full of shit.
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Difficult to trust these groups. In the end, only management knows how the talent behaves offline…
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Sadly, Vesper has the history of being the outcast. All those tales about his old jobs are pretty sad in hindsight. It wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t have the same level of social finesse to handle authority like the rest of the crew, and so might be punished for less. Sometimes, all it takes is the right words and promises to keep a job longer.But what do I know? I’m just another anon burnt by community cliques.
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To be fair, it’s tako who’s making those accusations. The situation does look absolutely terrible but we all know she goes full delulu over her oshis/ex-oshis
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Idk if I 100% doubt her, there are screenshots of her priv freaking out about GB messaging her, proof he messaged her and other fans, blocked out msgs that could’ve been from him so there is some proof floating out there to back the groomer claims.
If she was groomed, she’s an easy target because she’s (sorry tako I don’t hate you) desperate/menhara type. I’m not doubting her just because she has a bad rap in the community if she really did go through something tragic. I just want to know if they dealt with it already or if it’s ongoing like she claims
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i mean she claimed that vesper also messaged her in DMs. also grooming is the act of manipulation to take advantage of a victim. what the hell does Goldie get out of grooming Tako? If this is anything like the Raz/Luca situation, one can be dependent on an individual without them doing anything to manipulate them, and then the dependent person will blame them for their own over-dependence/infatuation the moment they remove the attention the other person felt entitled to. people have somehow watered down these delusions to be “grooming” too.it would be nice if she had actual proof that he did this to her. those DMs screenshots she shared were such a nothing burger. all they proved is that Goldie is a dumbass for not knowing the hard boundaries he should have with fans.
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with Vesper im not too sure. Also dont think she was actually getting in contact with him until after graduations, so he wasn’t using his Stars persona at least.
I remember one conversation she mentioned that she asked him if they could collab and he rejected it. And that usually shes the one to reach out and not the other way around (I mean dude doesnt answer messages from people that actually matter either like his bosses/coworkers so im not surprised tbh) which was why the GB stuff was exciting to her since this guy was going out of his way to talk to her.
From what Vesper/Randon’s friends do say (like the ones he plays games off stream with), he’s very professional when he does talk to them in DM’s with them almost like a business email.
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With Vesper it was claims. But with GB there’s actual proof of him in the DMs of multiple fans who saw reason to misinterpret the communication. It’s not the same.
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It doesn’t take much for vtuber fans to deliberately misconstrue messages to feed their own delusions. this is quite a common phenomenon actually. why do you think there’s so much drama in this community?
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if he did play games and watch movies with them and reply with terms of endearment it is very easy to misconstrue the relationship. A kiss on screen vs behind the scenes hold different weight ig.
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I mean, this is obvious. But it also looks like he continued contact with her after she already cause trouble for him by making it evident that she’s highly prone to that kind of thinking. He’s highly suspect in this situation.
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(anon above) Yeah, I don’t trust it because there’s literally no proof, it’s just word of mouth on a discord server. but if it was it would be real bad. She does seem really mentally unstable though. Would not put it past someone like that to makeup stuff or even edit things to get the object of their previous affections in trouble.
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I know people are probably sick of talking about it but it makes me so sick with anxiety I have to vent. Of course I want to trust my oshi that this whole thing is just a nothingburger but then the rational side of me chimes in that you can’t really trust anyone on the internet, least of all men… gibby please don’t have done something stupid, I don’t want to lose one of my few happinesses in this dark world… especially combined with the trauma of ganchan, this is so fucked…
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I think the idea that Gibby was manipulating a fan through corporate DMs, you know the stuff that all the manesans can see, is kind of ridiculous.
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GB did do something stupid by dming unhinged fans, if he dmed artists who had some grasp of reality we probably wouldnt even know about it but he let his ego get in the way and messaged parasocial morons who think a dm means theyre soulmates. i dont want him to leave holo but its clear the guy has emotional or psychological issues hes struggling with a lot more than the other three. i dont trust any online personality but i also dont think hes done anything horrible. i just think him getting therapy or working on self-help at least would go a long way in fixing some of the professionalism issues.
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Currently feeling like the “da fuck they doin ova der” cat. I was scrolling through Twitter to see fan reactions of the recent news and I had a couple of posts on my feed about how GB should have been terminated instead?? I’m a HQ+VG only viewer, what’s going on???
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Aside from bouts of irresponsibility and not streaming often, I think the main sore spot being brought against him is that he hasn’t been communicating on or delivering his T5 rewards.
The fan DM-ing is a red herring nonissue that mostly exists, exaggerated, outside of his fanbase.
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as a talent you should not be dming your fans. how is this a “non-issue”
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Because the behavior ended and was addressed with Tako herself admitting she was banned from his chat. It’s not a current issue.
The recent uptick of open GB antis would be chronologically strange if it was due to the dm-ing issue.
Yes he’s absolutely stupid and impulsive but the main issue right now is his repeated failure to perform to baseline requirements as a talent. He frequently breaks rules and does not deliver on paid content, without communicating on both counts.
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I just hate the vague posting. If something did happen that was inappropriate or trading insider information from cover corp with a fan and this fan in questions friend group swears something did happen with all the vague posting, they need to report it to cover and ACTUALLY make an expose thread or leave it the fuck alone. I saw the replies and they literally said it would never happen for an expose thread/twitlonger. Why not if it’s so serious and not a nothing burger that makes the person in question who’s accusing GB of this stuff look bad. I think him dming fans was super unprofessional but goddamn. If he actually did something bad you need to speak up. So immature
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its extremely immature and almost selfish in a way. If someone took advantage of someone else then people need to be warned that theres a guy using his power to get over on others instead of just letting others figure out the hard way.
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It has been vagueposted that Gibby had private interactions with fans early on that probably were over the line in terms of making individual fans feel like his little parasocial faves. There’s no indication that that has continued past the first month or two.
If anything, the way at least one of those people has distanced themselves from Gibby indicates he may have ceased all of that type of interaction. But the vagueposting has continued ever since.
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I don’t know, it kinda feels like there’s a reason why they aren’t being public about it. Did they report? Is it actually serious?????
Even without the GB issue, Tako has a bad reputation here. She probably would have spoken up by now if she knew she wasn’t going to be bombarded by diehard fans. I just think it’s weird that a BNF that’s schizo for her oshis would be this hateful towards an ex-oshi.
I’m more scared of what GB did as well??? If the DM-ing stopped early on then why did she drop him only recently??
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if anything, that’s even more reason to distrust her.
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I’m sorry but if it was truly that serious she could and should have come out with the info. it’s worse for someone to hide like information rather than be like “Ohhhh i’m so scared of what the fans will say”. My only thought would be if she was scared the info that she had could potentially ruin holostars english as a brand (which I highly doubt) because shinri is still her other kamioshi other than orc. Who knows why she dropped him now, maybe because she felt wronged over the situation when she went schizo for it? lord knows. I ran a blockchain on her and her friends so I don’t have to see her on my timeline, I suggest others do the same.
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so it’s pretty much just the good old gachi -> scorned anti pipeline in action once again?
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ah sounds like he was pretty much grooming them and then broke it off because it could endanger his job without warning and now a bunch of those fans he DM’d are upset at him. They need to be open about this because there’s lots of weird content creators getting away with doing weird shit with their fans because people are too embarrassed to be open about what happened to them.
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how long are terminally online people going to keep weakening the term grooming by using it for grown adults when its supposed to refer to children. im a fan of some of these guys but id have the faculties to understand and set boundaries if they tried being inappropriate, because im an adult responsible for my behavior. GB crossed boundaries by talking to idiots but he wasnt grooming them, get real.
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Actually anon, grooming is someone using a position of power in a relationship to exploit others – can be your boss, your parent/step-parent, someone you admire strongly like a celebrity, vtuber perhaps – yes children are the usual victims but adults can be groomed as well.
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thats not grooming, thats exploitation or harassment. grooming is when someone doesnt have the experience or maturity to understand theyre being harmed or manipulated. thats the whole point, its not just that someone is doing something bad
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I’m not sure what power GB really holds in this case to be “grooming” anyone. The boys don’t have the number buff hololive has. He isn’t on a massive platform and is supported by his fans generosity almost entirely. If anything, fans hold the power in this dynamic, depending on the individual. Even if he was DMing someone wouldn’t be a case of him grooming but just being an idiot.
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If that is what happened, it needs to be addressed. But “grooming” is a very serious accusation, and I’d be wary of using that term in regard to anyone’s actions without more evidence than what I have been made aware of.
Even moreso because using that particular accusation against a queer individual (which Gibby is) carries some serious baggage.
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not even vaguepost but a screenshot of dms between him on his gb twitter account and tako
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I hadn’t seen the screenshot in question! Guess that’s what I get for not looking hard enough. But the rest still applies, I think? No indication it’s still happening, and tako has distanced themselves from Gibby specifically.
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If it changes anything for you, the screenshot involves more than one person. It’s not just Tako.
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That does make me a little more wary. If he did anything wrong beyond getting too close to fans, they should report him and even consider making whatever he said public.
If he attempted to take advantage of his fans, that’s not okay. If he just got too friendly and made them feel special, that’s uncomfortable but not inherently doing wrong.
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Tako, Sushi, and other Randonites continue to sub GB and expect us to join them in calling him an asshole without telling us what the fuck he did. I’m sick of seeing this shit.
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As a fellow Randonite, I don’t want to associate myself with their gang at all. They been obnoxious to other members of the community, being rude and blocking fellow orbs, accusing other members as “problematic”. They stand out a lot as other Randonites are usually lurkers or can’t be bothered with their bullshit.
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Tako blamed GB for her parasocial delirium with him so now she’s convinced her randonite friends he’s bad or something. These people don’t even follow GB, so the only connection here can be Tako. This isn’t a real drama, this is just Tako’s friends who go along with whatever she says.
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her and her clique are so annoying ffs i say we banish them
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Send them to detroit
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this? https://x.com/0danshi0/status/1814181565590601896?s=46
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wait this was a dig at GB?
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Why would they even post this on twitter if they weren’t willing to actually say with their chest who it’s about and with proof. So shitty.
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huh? what’s the context here?
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Beats me.
I believe tako had some other gripes with GB after getting close in dms but that’s already known. Despite those issues still being kinda vague based on those who are subtweeting.
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She got upset after she got banned (shadowbanned?) In his chat and it hasn’t really been the same since
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He was in takos dms so she would know
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As an orb who didn’t really follow GB, I have no idea why I’m expected to join the pitchfork mob. GB is GB, Randon is Randon. As far as I know GB didn’t personally attack Randon or expose his Vesper identity or whatnot.
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Tako is a BNF who thinks she has a cult following. She’ll convince her friends GB is bad so that’s why you’ll see randon fans randomly give a shit about GB
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lol she has a following here of people that watch her every move. I didn’t even know of her existence until these forums.
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i wish i didn’t know who she was i don’t even interact with the community but because holostars members have responded to her tweets in the past she shows up on my TL 😒
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