as we approach the going-out-for-milk-aversary, I am once again haunted by the fact that we’ll never know what the fuck really happened. I vaguely remember lando implying something about how nobody online had guessed correctly & I just lie awake thinking about that sometimes. I’m not even sad! I can go watch them stream anytime! it’s just the lack of closure that’s making me crazy y’know?
Ngl, but this thing again is going to erupt into another endless debate about what made them leave. I guess it’s going to be one of those unsolved mysteries that fans to this day will keep bombarding over and over again even though everyone (Lando, Randon, and their former coworkers) have moved on with new things. It’s like we need to find the villain in this story or expect Lando to drop a doc like what Sayu did.
Idk about you. I’m already tired of this debate. You want to keep making rrats and go ahead, maybe that’s still a coping mechanism for you. But again, as Lando said, we’ll never know the truth no matter how much we want to. And also to remind ourselves that we really don’t know what’s behind the scenes and we don’t know who Lando and Randon are personally since we’re not their friends.
(op) yeah my bad, it wasn’t my intention to start another rrat king. I don’t care to speculate anymore (I was on the frontlines on nyfco in the middle of it all), I mostly just wanted to vent, cuz I know nobody understands these feelings better than the anons on this page
the whole thing is just kinda crazy. both got model upgrades shortly before, which is at a bare minimum a 4 figure investment from cover, AND there was a long awaited karaoke scheduled before radio silence. wasnt there also some issues with stars getting locked out because of the 2FA or something around the same time too? the stars aligned in the worst way possible, i remember anons swearing up and down that they had gotten robbed or in a car accident or that someone’s dad died because honestly yeah it DIDNT make sense lmao
(i’m OP) when i made this comment it was mostly in reference to the timing when all of us were totally in the dark, not us as we are now with the tachibana stuff and the resentment and all that. two talents basically went MIA and even if we’re super optimistic and generous we still have to admit that cover didn’t handle this the best
Vesper had 2FA issues when he went to Japan (which was why he did a bunch of twitter spaces). The 2nd 2FA issue only happened during the scheduled zatsu he had in his last week since management added emotes during his model debut and prob messed with settings that he couldnt get fixed at the time since he streamed at hours management usually isnt awake, so I don’t think it’s that.Only thing that makes sense to me is the tachibana music rrat since they had a duet in the works with him and Vesper was in the middle of working on an original song.
ugh not the tachibana rrat again. we’ve been over this a billion times that tachibana has had his hands in a ton of vtuber music projects and none of them had legal issues that required people go on hiatuses. not to mention when vtubers in holopro have had to deal with legal issues like Marine, there were no suspensions or graduations, it was just handled under the radar.edit: not to mention if magnoir were canned for leaking things to tachibana like rrats try to claim, the company would have just called it a termination. and don’t come at me saying the company might just be labeling it a graduation for PR. Yozora Mel, a senior member from the first generation, is probably the closest example of someone in the company accidentally leaking something and the company being very upfront with why they were terminating her in probably the most amicable termination to happen.
not to stir up more rrats but if tachibana was employed to work on Cover projects then him knowing things would make sense and technically not be an NDA breach or leak.
I thought Randon had implied he was fired during the Bunny Garden stream and some zatsus?
That and that Lando’s separation from the company was anything but amicable so much so he was absolutely enraged for 3 months straight and up to a couple of months had nightmares about it?
Maybe not fired but…pushed out? The whole thing is so fucking weird
I never said the Magnoir situation was amicable, I said Yozora Mel’s termination was the most amicable termination to happen (which still isn’t me saying hers was amicable, just that it was the closest to it).
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Magnoir graduated, and clearly did not want to. That is not a termination or sign of a fuck up. And the timing of their graduations being simultaneous and at the Tempus anniversary points to contracts not being renewed. Not to mention both of their accounts becoming inactive and the official Twitter saying their activities would be halted “for a while” implies the company was uncertain one way or another. When contract negotiations take place and you’re not sure if someone that’s working for you is going to stick around, you lock them out of the accounts until negotiations finalize.
Everything about the Magnoir graduation points to negotiations breaking down and Magnoir wanting to stay (see all the time and money they put into their new model debuts), but not being happy with whatever terms they would have had to agree with. This also lines up with Magnoir being removed from all the WIP Tempus projects: Historically the contributions of graduated members have stayed in WIP projects, but if these graduations were the result of negotiations breaking down, then of course managements might feel a bit bitter about the duo not taking their deal and feeling just spiteful enough to take them out of celebratory projects, but not enough to ban future mentions of them that ShinySpicy like to do because technically Magnoir wouldn’t have done anything wrong.
Tachibana legal issues rrat doesn’t make sense given the simultaneous timing of the graduations at the anniversary and the fact that other talents did not go through this during their legal issues. Frankly, Tachibana rratters just come off as another way people need to create a scapegoat to blame things on same way as Lando haters blame Lando. People would prefer to have a villain rather than simply acknowledging the most open-ended likelihood because it doesn’t provide the same amount of satisfaction or closure.
The removal of them in forthcoming projects is probably more due to IP issues because Vesper’s image was obscured but left in parts of Woven fates (Vestea and magmites were in the thumbnail in the corners of the last animation), but anything with their voice involved would obviously have to be removed and if they’re not singing then why show their character after graduating? I don’t think management would be ‘bitter’ about it it just made sense to do.
They don’t care if you mention them, just not point to PL connections which people couldn’t resists doing leading to banned comments on their VODs which actually is the worst outcome I’ll be honest from this whole thing :c all that love and memories and timestamps – just…gone.
That doesn’t really make sense when Sana’s graduation still had her voice and image in Council songs that came out after her departure (and they even still sold and credited her with her designs for the Council plushies). Even Coco also had vocals included in group projects after her graduation, too.
Sana and Coco were able to negotiate an amicable graduation whereas Magnoir both left on undesirable terms. IP issues and voice involvement isn’t a factor or else their entire channels would have been nuked of content. The company owns everything they produced, including their recordings, during their contracted time.
Magnoir’s removal is entirely on the contract negotiations going awry and not simply due to their graduations.
honestly could just be that holostars manages their talents differently from the girls. This is the first time graduated (not terminated) stars didn’t have their VODs wiped.
Oh interesting, I didn’t know that. Then I’m really not sure why their parting was so stained 🙁 and no one seemed to have wanted it to happen. Maybe it really was their choice to leave in the end.
There may be 2 issues happening separately at the same time.
In the Bunny game, the boss had to fire the protagonist out of obligation and not out of malice (closer to Mel’s situation). Since no NDA was broken, Cover didn’t want to leave a black mark on the talent by calling it a termination. They reserve that only for serious legal breaches. If we take that into account, Vesper might have been let go because he couldn’t keep up with the idol corpo standards. Singing is a big issue. He was having a very hard time being comfortable with that.
As for Magni, based on how none of the boys knew what happened and his resentment over the situation, it sounds like a legal bomb exploded. It does NOT have to be Tachibana. It could be anything. Some cases could drag for years for stupid reasons. If it was that the case, the Stars management thought it would be better to let the talent go. Yes I’ve read that other talents had their legal issues settled quickly, but one legal issue is not the same as another legal issue. In the end we don’t know why Stars couldn’t resolve it.
yeah its sad and one of the things that bothered me the most the first few months after grads (its one thing if he made a mistake and got let go, but magni also leaving is what makes it really strange to me). But dwelling on something i’ll never know the truth about would be a waste of my time and emotions at the end of the day. If their genmates/them themselves can move on then I can too.
dude, that fucked me up for a while after it happened. i would lie awake at night trying to fall asleep, but i could only lie there and imagine what even happened to them and how. no explaination ever made sense. iketog was also aiding me in doomscrolling.
No drama farming but essentially whatever happened, happened suddenly and very fast around Jul/Aug. Plus gramps laughing about being fired after making a mistake makes me think they f’ed up and got let go but it wasn’t enough to terminate them.
Randowis was an animator who spent (according to this video) ~7 months working on the Tempus mascots animation. The implication here is that whatever happened, it happened so suddenly that a portion of that 7 months’ of work had to very suddenly be canned. Probably the segments of animation pertaining to the Magmite and whichever mascot Vesper was going to have in there.
The suddenness suggests either that Cover is so opaque as to waste months of animation time for mascots of talents they knew would be graduating, or that it was a very quick decision to do so around July.
Randowis drew lines for everything going to hell around end of June/July (around the time Vesper’s 2.0 was released, Magni’s was earlier in June). Aniki’s Tempus announcement after grads came around end of August and the last animation was released early Sept. not too long after.
The consensus all around points to it being a very quick decision. Cover says they ‘graduated’ not ‘terminated’ and they didn’t want to do a grad stream. The boys immediately after went to streaming on their PLs, not addressing anything (except very vague hints) and basically framed it like they might have done something but also the situation was f**ked up and they left/got kicked out.
This hits hard because recently in the newer zatsus, gramps said he felt like he’s not a good friend to others because he’s not outgoing enough. According to his own standards, being a good friend means reaching out to others and inviting them out to do stuff together, checking up with what’s going on in their life, and being more social in general…. Which are all stuff that he’s not natural with. Magni is the one who could keep up with 20 people at the same time.
But speak to anyone who knows him, they would say he’s a good guy. He just can’t see it for himself. 😭
I don’t watch Vesper’s PL but the second line stuck to me. Grandpa had always been hard on himself, I hope he’s happy and doing well now. His time in stars might be over but he will forever be my kamioshi.
Is he going with his own design from last year…? The alien catboy one IIRC?
It was really tacky at best, I hope he’s pivoted from that a bit for his own sake.
realistically i think the professor will exist in some form for the foreseeable future. its a massive cash cow and he’s already built a huge following off of it even before magni times. if he could somehow make professor into a vtuber and start building some lore with a professor character i think it could be best of both worlds
He has said vtuber will be a separate channel and entirely separate persona, but he’ll keep making the professor videos because that is what pays the bills, he was pretty up front about that. More likely than not it will be only be videos though, can’t imagine he’d go back to doing lecture streams without Blake to bounce off of.
I think he mentioned he wants his professor and his vtuber persona separated. Tbh, there’s not much lore around the Professor Lando persona other than being a teacher talking about anime trends and memes which ngl, sounds boring. His “students” and “staff” are no longer involved because they all have their personal lives.
And I understand why Lando wants to separate that. He said himself that he sees vtubing as a form of escapism and he can make his own lore and skits.
I hate Lando and I started to give less credit to what he’d done as Magni, but I fucking hope he gets out of his menhera phase and get a healthy life. That’s my last courtesy to pay for him as former Magmite.
Eh, not OP but I think it’s like becoming disillusioned with somebody once you find out more about them. I think this reply is being a little uncharitably dense. There’s a definite difference between Magni’s content/persona and Lando’s.
I love Magni and I love Lando but I haven’t really been able to keep an interest in his lando streams, with a few exceptions.. sigh. I hope being a vtuber again gives him that creative spark I loved so much as magni. I really just have a hard time with watching gaming streams though so that might be more of my issue
yeah seems like he’s in a creative rut as far as streaming goes. glad the professor videos are getting views at least, but i’ll check out a stream from him when he’s doing a creative idea (like the confessional stream he did) or whenever he gets his vtuber model again.
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as we approach the going-out-for-milk-aversary, I am once again haunted by the fact that we’ll never know what the fuck really happened. I vaguely remember lando implying something about how nobody online had guessed correctly & I just lie awake thinking about that sometimes. I’m not even sad! I can go watch them stream anytime! it’s just the lack of closure that’s making me crazy y’know?
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Ngl, but this thing again is going to erupt into another endless debate about what made them leave. I guess it’s going to be one of those unsolved mysteries that fans to this day will keep bombarding over and over again even though everyone (Lando, Randon, and their former coworkers) have moved on with new things. It’s like we need to find the villain in this story or expect Lando to drop a doc like what Sayu did.
Idk about you. I’m already tired of this debate. You want to keep making rrats and go ahead, maybe that’s still a coping mechanism for you. But again, as Lando said, we’ll never know the truth no matter how much we want to. And also to remind ourselves that we really don’t know what’s behind the scenes and we don’t know who Lando and Randon are personally since we’re not their friends.
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(op) yeah my bad, it wasn’t my intention to start another rrat king. I don’t care to speculate anymore (I was on the frontlines on nyfco in the middle of it all), I mostly just wanted to vent, cuz I know nobody understands these feelings better than the anons on this page
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the whole thing is just kinda crazy. both got model upgrades shortly before, which is at a bare minimum a 4 figure investment from cover, AND there was a long awaited karaoke scheduled before radio silence. wasnt there also some issues with stars getting locked out because of the 2FA or something around the same time too? the stars aligned in the worst way possible, i remember anons swearing up and down that they had gotten robbed or in a car accident or that someone’s dad died because honestly yeah it DIDNT make sense lmao
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(i’m OP) when i made this comment it was mostly in reference to the timing when all of us were totally in the dark, not us as we are now with the tachibana stuff and the resentment and all that. two talents basically went MIA and even if we’re super optimistic and generous we still have to admit that cover didn’t handle this the best
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Vesper had 2FA issues when he went to Japan (which was why he did a bunch of twitter spaces). The 2nd 2FA issue only happened during the scheduled zatsu he had in his last week since management added emotes during his model debut and prob messed with settings that he couldnt get fixed at the time since he streamed at hours management usually isnt awake, so I don’t think it’s that.Only thing that makes sense to me is the tachibana music rrat since they had a duet in the works with him and Vesper was in the middle of working on an original song.
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ugh not the tachibana rrat again. we’ve been over this a billion times that tachibana has had his hands in a ton of vtuber music projects and none of them had legal issues that required people go on hiatuses. not to mention when vtubers in holopro have had to deal with legal issues like Marine, there were no suspensions or graduations, it was just handled under the radar.edit: not to mention if magnoir were canned for leaking things to tachibana like rrats try to claim, the company would have just called it a termination. and don’t come at me saying the company might just be labeling it a graduation for PR. Yozora Mel, a senior member from the first generation, is probably the closest example of someone in the company accidentally leaking something and the company being very upfront with why they were terminating her in probably the most amicable termination to happen.
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not to stir up more rrats but if tachibana was employed to work on Cover projects then him knowing things would make sense and technically not be an NDA breach or leak.
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I thought Randon had implied he was fired during the Bunny Garden stream and some zatsus?
That and that Lando’s separation from the company was anything but amicable so much so he was absolutely enraged for 3 months straight and up to a couple of months had nightmares about it?
Maybe not fired but…pushed out? The whole thing is so fucking weird
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I never said the Magnoir situation was amicable, I said Yozora Mel’s termination was the most amicable termination to happen (which still isn’t me saying hers was amicable, just that it was the closest to it).
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(continued because editing last comment was screwing up the format and not letting me put line breaks)
Magnoir graduated, and clearly did not want to. That is not a termination or sign of a fuck up. And the timing of their graduations being simultaneous and at the Tempus anniversary points to contracts not being renewed. Not to mention both of their accounts becoming inactive and the official Twitter saying their activities would be halted “for a while” implies the company was uncertain one way or another. When contract negotiations take place and you’re not sure if someone that’s working for you is going to stick around, you lock them out of the accounts until negotiations finalize.
Everything about the Magnoir graduation points to negotiations breaking down and Magnoir wanting to stay (see all the time and money they put into their new model debuts), but not being happy with whatever terms they would have had to agree with. This also lines up with Magnoir being removed from all the WIP Tempus projects: Historically the contributions of graduated members have stayed in WIP projects, but if these graduations were the result of negotiations breaking down, then of course managements might feel a bit bitter about the duo not taking their deal and feeling just spiteful enough to take them out of celebratory projects, but not enough to ban future mentions of them that ShinySpicy like to do because technically Magnoir wouldn’t have done anything wrong.
Tachibana legal issues rrat doesn’t make sense given the simultaneous timing of the graduations at the anniversary and the fact that other talents did not go through this during their legal issues. Frankly, Tachibana rratters just come off as another way people need to create a scapegoat to blame things on same way as Lando haters blame Lando. People would prefer to have a villain rather than simply acknowledging the most open-ended likelihood because it doesn’t provide the same amount of satisfaction or closure.
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The removal of them in forthcoming projects is probably more due to IP issues because Vesper’s image was obscured but left in parts of Woven fates (Vestea and magmites were in the thumbnail in the corners of the last animation), but anything with their voice involved would obviously have to be removed and if they’re not singing then why show their character after graduating? I don’t think management would be ‘bitter’ about it it just made sense to do.
They don’t care if you mention them, just not point to PL connections which people couldn’t resists doing leading to banned comments on their VODs which actually is the worst outcome I’ll be honest from this whole thing :c all that love and memories and timestamps – just…gone.
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That doesn’t really make sense when Sana’s graduation still had her voice and image in Council songs that came out after her departure (and they even still sold and credited her with her designs for the Council plushies). Even Coco also had vocals included in group projects after her graduation, too.
Sana and Coco were able to negotiate an amicable graduation whereas Magnoir both left on undesirable terms. IP issues and voice involvement isn’t a factor or else their entire channels would have been nuked of content. The company owns everything they produced, including their recordings, during their contracted time.
Magnoir’s removal is entirely on the contract negotiations going awry and not simply due to their graduations.
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honestly could just be that holostars manages their talents differently from the girls. This is the first time graduated (not terminated) stars didn’t have their VODs wiped.
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kira from stars jp still has VODs of his streams on his channel
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Oh interesting, I didn’t know that. Then I’m really not sure why their parting was so stained 🙁 and no one seemed to have wanted it to happen. Maybe it really was their choice to leave in the end.
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There may be 2 issues happening separately at the same time.
In the Bunny game, the boss had to fire the protagonist out of obligation and not out of malice (closer to Mel’s situation). Since no NDA was broken, Cover didn’t want to leave a black mark on the talent by calling it a termination. They reserve that only for serious legal breaches. If we take that into account, Vesper might have been let go because he couldn’t keep up with the idol corpo standards. Singing is a big issue. He was having a very hard time being comfortable with that.
As for Magni, based on how none of the boys knew what happened and his resentment over the situation, it sounds like a legal bomb exploded. It does NOT have to be Tachibana. It could be anything. Some cases could drag for years for stupid reasons. If it was that the case, the Stars management thought it would be better to let the talent go. Yes I’ve read that other talents had their legal issues settled quickly, but one legal issue is not the same as another legal issue. In the end we don’t know why Stars couldn’t resolve it.
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yeah its sad and one of the things that bothered me the most the first few months after grads (its one thing if he made a mistake and got let go, but magni also leaving is what makes it really strange to me). But dwelling on something i’ll never know the truth about would be a waste of my time and emotions at the end of the day. If their genmates/them themselves can move on then I can too.
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dude, that fucked me up for a while after it happened. i would lie awake at night trying to fall asleep, but i could only lie there and imagine what even happened to them and how. no explaination ever made sense. iketog was also aiding me in doomscrolling.
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Randowis put a video out recently vaguely talking about the production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0or2ryYvJwM
No drama farming but essentially whatever happened, happened suddenly and very fast around Jul/Aug. Plus gramps laughing about being fired after making a mistake makes me think they f’ed up and got let go but it wasn’t enough to terminate them.
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Production of what? He was working on a Tempus animation and the graduations interfered with the work?
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Randowis was an animator who spent (according to this video) ~7 months working on the Tempus mascots animation. The implication here is that whatever happened, it happened so suddenly that a portion of that 7 months’ of work had to very suddenly be canned. Probably the segments of animation pertaining to the Magmite and whichever mascot Vesper was going to have in there.
The suddenness suggests either that Cover is so opaque as to waste months of animation time for mascots of talents they knew would be graduating, or that it was a very quick decision to do so around July.
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I forgot about that video. Thanks for explaining!
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Randowis drew lines for everything going to hell around end of June/July (around the time Vesper’s 2.0 was released, Magni’s was earlier in June). Aniki’s Tempus announcement after grads came around end of August and the last animation was released early Sept. not too long after.
The consensus all around points to it being a very quick decision. Cover says they ‘graduated’ not ‘terminated’ and they didn’t want to do a grad stream. The boys immediately after went to streaming on their PLs, not addressing anything (except very vague hints) and basically framed it like they might have done something but also the situation was f**ked up and they left/got kicked out.
The real reason why well, we’ll just never know.
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happy altnowa day everyone! feeling a little melancholic, but i hope if you watch the vod you can remember good times!
https://www.youtube.com/live/IPKmCn_YJPM
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i cant rewatch that again but i guess im glad that his last official collab as Vesper was just like his first one. oddly poetic in a way.
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I missed you a lot peepaw, happy 1st anniversary of your 2.0
May one day you will love yourself more than we love you.
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This hits hard because recently in the newer zatsus, gramps said he felt like he’s not a good friend to others because he’s not outgoing enough. According to his own standards, being a good friend means reaching out to others and inviting them out to do stuff together, checking up with what’s going on in their life, and being more social in general…. Which are all stuff that he’s not natural with. Magni is the one who could keep up with 20 people at the same time.
But speak to anyone who knows him, they would say he’s a good guy. He just can’t see it for himself. 😭
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I don’t watch Vesper’s PL but the second line stuck to me. Grandpa had always been hard on himself, I hope he’s happy and doing well now. His time in stars might be over but he will forever be my kamioshi.
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Happy to report he’s doing great, imo. I don’t catch all his streams nowadays but he’s always laughing and having a good time.
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Aw nonny you’re gonna make me cry ;( it’s so tru that it hurts
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Patrick Star voice: “ohmonah’s a girl?”
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they have collabed a few times already
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I miss Magni so damn much but I hate that I miss him T_T I’m gonna watch him when he re-debuts as a vtuber, me thinks. But not Lando.
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Is he going with his own design from last year…? The alien catboy one IIRC?
It was really tacky at best, I hope he’s pivoted from that a bit for his own sake.
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pfetty sure he said all the designs he showed during that stream were already disregarded by then
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realistically i think the professor will exist in some form for the foreseeable future. its a massive cash cow and he’s already built a huge following off of it even before magni times. if he could somehow make professor into a vtuber and start building some lore with a professor character i think it could be best of both worlds
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He has said vtuber will be a separate channel and entirely separate persona, but he’ll keep making the professor videos because that is what pays the bills, he was pretty up front about that. More likely than not it will be only be videos though, can’t imagine he’d go back to doing lecture streams without Blake to bounce off of.
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He should try to do like Nigel/Uncle Roger where he has a character he plays but he also has his other self he juggles easily. It’s not easy to do tho
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I think he mentioned he wants his professor and his vtuber persona separated. Tbh, there’s not much lore around the Professor Lando persona other than being a teacher talking about anime trends and memes which ngl, sounds boring. His “students” and “staff” are no longer involved because they all have their personal lives.
And I understand why Lando wants to separate that. He said himself that he sees vtubing as a form of escapism and he can make his own lore and skits.
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I miss magni i love his creativity but i hate lando and his cheap content🥲(some of you probably disagree w me and thats ok)
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I hate Lando and I started to give less credit to what he’d done as Magni, but I fucking hope he gets out of his menhera phase and get a healthy life. That’s my last courtesy to pay for him as former Magmite.
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I guess the 2D anime model just streamed and commentated and interacted with everyone on its own, huh.
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Eh, not OP but I think it’s like becoming disillusioned with somebody once you find out more about them. I think this reply is being a little uncharitably dense. There’s a definite difference between Magni’s content/persona and Lando’s.
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The so called “Ick”
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I love Magni and I love Lando but I haven’t really been able to keep an interest in his lando streams, with a few exceptions.. sigh. I hope being a vtuber again gives him that creative spark I loved so much as magni. I really just have a hard time with watching gaming streams though so that might be more of my issue
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yeah seems like he’s in a creative rut as far as streaming goes. glad the professor videos are getting views at least, but i’ll check out a stream from him when he’s doing a creative idea (like the confessional stream he did) or whenever he gets his vtuber model again.
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https://x.com/BIGHAM_vt/status/1434214678868238340 gigi being hampwn is really funny. for randonnites that are here, bigHAM seems to be good at spotting potential new holo hires XD
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I can still hear them sometimes…. (the comments)
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