aw i think it’s nice that bettel wants to start mentioning magni by name instead of saying “my friend”. I know we all know what they’ve been up to but I’m sure it’s nice for folks who “practice kayfabe” to know that they’re still doing well and keeping in touch
I think it’s because he doesn’t want to rock the boat regarding those who are still reeling over the graduations as seen here. Not to mention, there was that time when some tempuras disliked the Begni collabs.
Though it makes sense for Altare and Axel to mention Magni and Vesper’s names because they were genmates.
I know!!!! Both of them are really close friends but sometimes it keeps me sad that some Bettelions want to police their friendship. Please leave them alone, I never been so happy for Bettel/Conner as he genuinely likes to be around Magni/Lando.
I hope you recover more, anon. I understand the lack of closure and all but if the Shiny Spicy duo still get along with their former genmates, so can you.
I’m starting to remember that time when Vesper came home after his Japan arc, he went on a self-imposed 1 month Collab ban bcoz of his mental state and it caused a schism between the vesties and the tempuras in the Tempus nyfco page. Then it led to crazy rrats such as Vesper and Altare having a fight or Vesper not liking VG etc. And when Vesper graduated, the vesties who defended him during the Japan arc, packed up their bags, left the Holostars fandom and became randonnites. I even remember that there’s some vestie anons in Vesper’s PL nyfco page who really said they don’t care about Holostars and their fans and are glad that Vesper graduated so he can do whatever he wants without too much corpo stuff.
It is expected that whenever a corpo vtuber graduates, their fans followed them to the PL. But I wonder how much damage that schism on the Tempus nyfco page during Vesper’s Japan arc had caused that led to the loyal vesties to leave the fandom during Vesper’s graduation. Sure, they’re solo fans already and it’s in the past now. But that time period really left a sore spot.
Just a counterpoint even though I know I’ll just get down voted: I tried to be reassuring about the hiatus/graduations, about Vesmites places in the fandom, even if by this point I greatly disliked Magni and Vesper. But every time I tried, it looped right the fuck back to square one.
Tried to say “no, they aren’t being unpersoned, everything is being done the same way as Coco and Sana/their merch is being removed the same way Coco/Sana’s was”, “the guys can still talk about them”, “Cover isn’t going after you guys personally, that’s insane”…only to either watch it all get white noised out or told I don’t know what I’m talking about. I tried and tried and tried. The breaking point, though, was some Vestie telling me “You’ll never understand the pain of how it feels to lose someone like this”, completely seriously and without any idea what I’ve been through in my life to give this perspective.
I washed my hands of all of them right then and there. 3 months of compassion fatigue hit instantly. To top it off, there was no escape if you wanted to spend time with the other boys: they and their chat had to be reassuring; talking about any collab stream was met with “if Magni/Vesper were there they-” near constantly; the absolutely unrelenting “Magni/Vesper were the best thing in the branch” statements at the cost of talking down the other boys.
In a sense, I’m sorry people felt pushed out. I’m glad some people recovered and watch the boys or moved on for their own sakes. But I’m not sorry for my disdain for them and how the fandom had to pretzel twist itself to spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to fix something.
Maybe instead of letting yourself get to the point of distain and resentment you could have, idk, distanced yourself and let them grieve when it was still so fresh? Sounds like you are just mad people didn’t feel the same as you or take your “just be happy”-ass advice.
Honestly my take away from last year graduation was stars en management handled this so fucking poorly, all of this shit can be avoided if cover were to be more transparent about it. To be fair to Vesper and Magni, there are already hard facts they wanted to stay. They both are also unable to give statements or reason they had to leave and we will never know due to NDA.
A lot of people might not know but Vesper had to check himself into a psyc ward and wanted to quit streaming after the ordeal. Blaming these two are the easiest, what I wish most fans on both sides had were compassion and acceptance.
aww man you remind me of the stream where he came back and stated “i’m in like a concrete cage right now, i’ve checked myself into a zoo”. After that stream i had wondered what the hell had happened behind the scenes that pushed grandpa to the point he had to check himself into a mental institution. In the VOD Vesper mentioned he wanted to take a selfie with the wildfire before checking himself into the “Zoo”. As much as in that moment the story is hella funny i couldn’t help but to think that he’s so out of it that he doesn’t care about his own wellbeing in that moment.
The community is the fandom and some of the comments towards grieving and confused fans was too harsh. Being scrubbed and kicked from everywhere must’ve sucked but instead of embracing the fallen fans it’s like some people wanted them kicked faster. Emotions were high and we were thrown into a week of activities to just forget about it until the heat died down and then the plushies drop was like a smack in the face since they would never even get a final memento from their oshis in the form of themselves (as fan mascots).
I really appreciated Hakka for still keeping them up on streams for a bit (even if it did go a bit long it was a nice gesture tbh) and for the boys eventually just talking about them openly without scorn or anything so that helped. But yea….that time sucked. I liked the vesties – never understood what was happening in stream – but they always seemed to have fun and saw many supporting and watching the boys as well. Magmites were a mixed bag, they felt very scorned but overall my short time there was fun, they were very VERY VERY passionate about magni, such a big loss honestly.
For as much faults as holo fans have (the unicorn issue, etc.) something I like about the girls fandom is fans arent treated like garbage for publicly grieving their oshis even if its years later whether its in fanart, fanfics etc.
I’ve gotten over the grads and found a new oshi to support (Elizabeth), but i will admit when the double grads hit after such a long wait, the only people i could find comfort in talking to were other magmites/vesties since being a vestie that was involved in the community other than just watching streams became hostile as fuck since the Japan trip happened, and the usual Holostars antis that hate the guys in general just piled up. I feel lucky that I was able to have a small group of people to chat with during that time because it was stressful. The amount of falseflaggers on /vt/ creating fake anti splits, and false narratives to cause infighting in the community and people actually believing it kind of opened my eyes a lot.
I think unless the community gets bigger or people are able to identify shit stirrers and throw them out, it’ll always feel like bad actors can easily sway the opinion of a majority of stars EN fans and unfortunately after that experience i’ve been pretty hesitant to ever check out and get involved in holostars content again aside from the HQ/VG 3D debuts and the few Axel and Altare streams here and there because i’ve been exposed to the ugly side of the community too much.
It’s easy to ignore bad actors in the girls side of the fanbase since its a bigger fanbase in general and people are a lot more united against fighting antis and people trying to make mountains out of ant hills after the Coco/Hachaama harassment campaign.
>bad actors can easily sway the opinion of a majority of stars EN fans
I fucking agree with you here. Reminded me of the situation a month ago where someone spread the word about Lando using Conner as sugar daddy to pay for things where it was taken OUT OF CONTEXT. Followed by so much hate and scorn towards Lando which I find it super fucking funny as when Magni was around the nyfco period, everyone were so horny for Lando like they were for Conner.
I get the feeling that those fans who shit on Vesper and the vesties during his Japan arc are super entitled and aggressive. It wasn’t like this during Vesper’s suspension when you have a lot of people defending him and pushing back the rrats surrounding the suspension. It’s only in the Japan arc that they went 180 degrees. And when Vesper graduated, it led to a mass exodus of vesties who wanted to find a place to grieve and had enough of the hostility of the tempuras on the nyfco page. And yet, there are some tempuras who have the audacity to get mad at them for leaving.
We’re seeing this entitled attitude on the Armis page and I get the feeling that fans had never learned from their mistake. Sure, this site welcomes constructive criticism but the way they explain their criticism becomes more aggressive (or passive-aggressive) with a lack of empathy which comes across as dickish to the other anons. It reminded me of how some fans were lashing at Vesper for not taking his meds and some of the comments are extremely ableist.
I also agree with the bad actors given that they’re the ones who encouraged the aggression within the StarsEN fandom. I really think the anons in nyfco and this site are really bad at identifying a bunch of trolls and dramabaiters.
As someone who pulled away from tempus as a whole after the japan arc, I can say with certainty that there were some of us who completely (or mostly) dropped tempus because of how other tempura acted.
I catch a bettle stream now and then but that’s it
Same here, I’ve watched Randon before he was Vesper. During that period I had never been so flabbergasted at some of the tempura’s behaviors.
Maybe I’m way older now and I have no interest in idol culture. After both Magni and Vesper left, I have decided to discontinued watching Tempus as I observed the same hysterical reactions.
It’s also fair to say that currently, Randon might be too much for general watchers. His personality had always been peculiar, thus the frivolous discourse he spews out might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
It really just makes me feel so gross that I was friends with some of the people who turned on vesper and magni SO viciously the moment they could twist whatever situation into “they hurt my precious axel/altare/bettle/etc.”. You think you know people and then the disturbing side of idol worship comes out where people are so happy to villainize others to the point it feels like they enjoy it. Just gross.
Kinda beside your topic but I was surprised to see some of the vesties that followed him to his PL eventually stopped watching him because his unhinged PL streamer persona became too much for them. These people aren’t Holostars fans and liked him because the way he presented himself with the Vesper persona was appealing: a male vtuber with relatable nerdy masculine interests, occasional crazy moments, had entertaining collabs with the girls.https://x.com/ToastCrust/status/1800937935078031786
yeah thats fine too if the orc isnt for them. I think his personality with the original scrawny Vesper model had a lot of great comedic potential and i can see how it doesnt hit as hard since now its a meathead personality coming from a beefy model. He seems to have enough support from people to still be streaming on his PL nearly a year later at least.
i find that surprising too. i’ve never really seen that much of a difference between randon and vesper’s personalities. to me they’ve always been the same person, vesper just censored himself a bit more
Yeah, it’s a shame that he left. Ofc, we’ll never know what made him and Magni leave. Sometimes, maybe in another timeline where they didn’t leave, meet the Armis boys, go to Japan, have full-on Tempus HQ off-collab, meet all their JP senpais and EN kouhais, get their 3D, and sing Top of the World together. Maybe, the vesties wouldn’t feel left out and all the tempuras would be celebrating.
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damn i kinda miss these guys (magni and vesper specifically, and their shenanigans and dynamic with all the other boys)
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altnowa’s and the funny thing is i would’ve married you if you’d have stuck around
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aw i think it’s nice that bettel wants to start mentioning magni by name instead of saying “my friend”. I know we all know what they’ve been up to but I’m sure it’s nice for folks who “practice kayfabe” to know that they’re still doing well and keeping in touch
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I think it’s because he doesn’t want to rock the boat regarding those who are still reeling over the graduations as seen here. Not to mention, there was that time when some tempuras disliked the Begni collabs.
Though it makes sense for Altare and Axel to mention Magni and Vesper’s names because they were genmates.
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I know!!!! Both of them are really close friends but sometimes it keeps me sad that some Bettelions want to police their friendship. Please leave them alone, I never been so happy for Bettel/Conner as he genuinely likes to be around Magni/Lando.
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Bettel and Magni currently live in the same neighbourhood in real life. They meet up almost daily for gym and dinner.
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Ngl I wanted to move on I know what’s done is done but I can’t help being bitter towards those 2 guys when Tempus anniversary gets closer
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I hope you recover more, anon. I understand the lack of closure and all but if the Shiny Spicy duo still get along with their former genmates, so can you.
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It’s been a year anon respectfully move on
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It’s sounds like a you thing anonchama, please take care of yourself.
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I’m starting to remember that time when Vesper came home after his Japan arc, he went on a self-imposed 1 month Collab ban bcoz of his mental state and it caused a schism between the vesties and the tempuras in the Tempus nyfco page. Then it led to crazy rrats such as Vesper and Altare having a fight or Vesper not liking VG etc. And when Vesper graduated, the vesties who defended him during the Japan arc, packed up their bags, left the Holostars fandom and became randonnites. I even remember that there’s some vestie anons in Vesper’s PL nyfco page who really said they don’t care about Holostars and their fans and are glad that Vesper graduated so he can do whatever he wants without too much corpo stuff.
It is expected that whenever a corpo vtuber graduates, their fans followed them to the PL. But I wonder how much damage that schism on the Tempus nyfco page during Vesper’s Japan arc had caused that led to the loyal vesties to leave the fandom during Vesper’s graduation. Sure, they’re solo fans already and it’s in the past now. But that time period really left a sore spot.
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Just a counterpoint even though I know I’ll just get down voted: I tried to be reassuring about the hiatus/graduations, about Vesmites places in the fandom, even if by this point I greatly disliked Magni and Vesper. But every time I tried, it looped right the fuck back to square one.
Tried to say “no, they aren’t being unpersoned, everything is being done the same way as Coco and Sana/their merch is being removed the same way Coco/Sana’s was”, “the guys can still talk about them”, “Cover isn’t going after you guys personally, that’s insane”…only to either watch it all get white noised out or told I don’t know what I’m talking about. I tried and tried and tried. The breaking point, though, was some Vestie telling me “You’ll never understand the pain of how it feels to lose someone like this”, completely seriously and without any idea what I’ve been through in my life to give this perspective.
I washed my hands of all of them right then and there. 3 months of compassion fatigue hit instantly. To top it off, there was no escape if you wanted to spend time with the other boys: they and their chat had to be reassuring; talking about any collab stream was met with “if Magni/Vesper were there they-” near constantly; the absolutely unrelenting “Magni/Vesper were the best thing in the branch” statements at the cost of talking down the other boys.
In a sense, I’m sorry people felt pushed out. I’m glad some people recovered and watch the boys or moved on for their own sakes. But I’m not sorry for my disdain for them and how the fandom had to pretzel twist itself to spend an exorbitant amount of time trying to fix something.
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Maybe instead of letting yourself get to the point of distain and resentment you could have, idk, distanced yourself and let them grieve when it was still so fresh? Sounds like you are just mad people didn’t feel the same as you or take your “just be happy”-ass advice.
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Honestly my take away from last year graduation was stars en management handled this so fucking poorly, all of this shit can be avoided if cover were to be more transparent about it. To be fair to Vesper and Magni, there are already hard facts they wanted to stay. They both are also unable to give statements or reason they had to leave and we will never know due to NDA.
A lot of people might not know but Vesper had to check himself into a psyc ward and wanted to quit streaming after the ordeal. Blaming these two are the easiest, what I wish most fans on both sides had were compassion and acceptance.
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aww man you remind me of the stream where he came back and stated “i’m in like a concrete cage right now, i’ve checked myself into a zoo”. After that stream i had wondered what the hell had happened behind the scenes that pushed grandpa to the point he had to check himself into a mental institution. In the VOD Vesper mentioned he wanted to take a selfie with the wildfire before checking himself into the “Zoo”. As much as in that moment the story is hella funny i couldn’t help but to think that he’s so out of it that he doesn’t care about his own wellbeing in that moment.
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The community is the fandom and some of the comments towards grieving and confused fans was too harsh. Being scrubbed and kicked from everywhere must’ve sucked but instead of embracing the fallen fans it’s like some people wanted them kicked faster. Emotions were high and we were thrown into a week of activities to just forget about it until the heat died down and then the plushies drop was like a smack in the face since they would never even get a final memento from their oshis in the form of themselves (as fan mascots).
I really appreciated Hakka for still keeping them up on streams for a bit (even if it did go a bit long it was a nice gesture tbh) and for the boys eventually just talking about them openly without scorn or anything so that helped. But yea….that time sucked. I liked the vesties – never understood what was happening in stream – but they always seemed to have fun and saw many supporting and watching the boys as well. Magmites were a mixed bag, they felt very scorned but overall my short time there was fun, they were very VERY VERY passionate about magni, such a big loss honestly.
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For as much faults as holo fans have (the unicorn issue, etc.) something I like about the girls fandom is fans arent treated like garbage for publicly grieving their oshis even if its years later whether its in fanart, fanfics etc.
I’ve gotten over the grads and found a new oshi to support (Elizabeth), but i will admit when the double grads hit after such a long wait, the only people i could find comfort in talking to were other magmites/vesties since being a vestie that was involved in the community other than just watching streams became hostile as fuck since the Japan trip happened, and the usual Holostars antis that hate the guys in general just piled up. I feel lucky that I was able to have a small group of people to chat with during that time because it was stressful. The amount of falseflaggers on /vt/ creating fake anti splits, and false narratives to cause infighting in the community and people actually believing it kind of opened my eyes a lot.
I think unless the community gets bigger or people are able to identify shit stirrers and throw them out, it’ll always feel like bad actors can easily sway the opinion of a majority of stars EN fans and unfortunately after that experience i’ve been pretty hesitant to ever check out and get involved in holostars content again aside from the HQ/VG 3D debuts and the few Axel and Altare streams here and there because i’ve been exposed to the ugly side of the community too much.
It’s easy to ignore bad actors in the girls side of the fanbase since its a bigger fanbase in general and people are a lot more united against fighting antis and people trying to make mountains out of ant hills after the Coco/Hachaama harassment campaign.
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>bad actors can easily sway the opinion of a majority of stars EN fans
I fucking agree with you here. Reminded me of the situation a month ago where someone spread the word about Lando using Conner as sugar daddy to pay for things where it was taken OUT OF CONTEXT. Followed by so much hate and scorn towards Lando which I find it super fucking funny as when Magni was around the nyfco period, everyone were so horny for Lando like they were for Conner.
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I get the feeling that those fans who shit on Vesper and the vesties during his Japan arc are super entitled and aggressive. It wasn’t like this during Vesper’s suspension when you have a lot of people defending him and pushing back the rrats surrounding the suspension. It’s only in the Japan arc that they went 180 degrees. And when Vesper graduated, it led to a mass exodus of vesties who wanted to find a place to grieve and had enough of the hostility of the tempuras on the nyfco page. And yet, there are some tempuras who have the audacity to get mad at them for leaving.
We’re seeing this entitled attitude on the Armis page and I get the feeling that fans had never learned from their mistake. Sure, this site welcomes constructive criticism but the way they explain their criticism becomes more aggressive (or passive-aggressive) with a lack of empathy which comes across as dickish to the other anons. It reminded me of how some fans were lashing at Vesper for not taking his meds and some of the comments are extremely ableist.
I also agree with the bad actors given that they’re the ones who encouraged the aggression within the StarsEN fandom. I really think the anons in nyfco and this site are really bad at identifying a bunch of trolls and dramabaiters.
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As someone who pulled away from tempus as a whole after the japan arc, I can say with certainty that there were some of us who completely (or mostly) dropped tempus because of how other tempura acted.
I catch a bettle stream now and then but that’s it
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Same here, I’ve watched Randon before he was Vesper. During that period I had never been so flabbergasted at some of the tempura’s behaviors.
Maybe I’m way older now and I have no interest in idol culture. After both Magni and Vesper left, I have decided to discontinued watching Tempus as I observed the same hysterical reactions.
It’s also fair to say that currently, Randon might be too much for general watchers. His personality had always been peculiar, thus the frivolous discourse he spews out might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
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It really just makes me feel so gross that I was friends with some of the people who turned on vesper and magni SO viciously the moment they could twist whatever situation into “they hurt my precious axel/altare/bettle/etc.”. You think you know people and then the disturbing side of idol worship comes out where people are so happy to villainize others to the point it feels like they enjoy it. Just gross.
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Kinda beside your topic but I was surprised to see some of the vesties that followed him to his PL eventually stopped watching him because his unhinged PL streamer persona became too much for them. These people aren’t Holostars fans and liked him because the way he presented himself with the Vesper persona was appealing: a male vtuber with relatable nerdy masculine interests, occasional crazy moments, had entertaining collabs with the girls.https://x.com/ToastCrust/status/1800937935078031786
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yeah thats fine too if the orc isnt for them. I think his personality with the original scrawny Vesper model had a lot of great comedic potential and i can see how it doesnt hit as hard since now its a meathead personality coming from a beefy model. He seems to have enough support from people to still be streaming on his PL nearly a year later at least.
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i find that surprising too. i’ve never really seen that much of a difference between randon and vesper’s personalities. to me they’ve always been the same person, vesper just censored himself a bit more
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Yeah, it’s a shame that he left. Ofc, we’ll never know what made him and Magni leave. Sometimes, maybe in another timeline where they didn’t leave, meet the Armis boys, go to Japan, have full-on Tempus HQ off-collab, meet all their JP senpais and EN kouhais, get their 3D, and sing Top of the World together. Maybe, the vesties wouldn’t feel left out and all the tempuras would be celebrating.
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if only we could have had full Yatta in 3d
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RIP vesper he wouldve loved doing the island voice
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