Rio happy birthday! Can’t believe its his 3rd birthday as a holostar and 2nd anniversary to his membership. Gamma leaving must be hard on him, but I look forward to his first tochimatsu >o<
I appreciate the effort Rio but just like another anon said, this is more prone to misinterpretation (ᴗ_ ᴗ。) I tried looking for a 1:1 translation on what he said, but even starmins who I know does TL don’t want to do a translation in fear of miscommunicating his words and causing more issues
I’m going to be delusional and say
Holostars JP will always be 12
UPROAR!! will always be 4
Tempus will always be 8
Armis is and will always be 4 (unless another sub unit is added)!
I’m neutral on this matter. I understand the frustration if they were terminated unfairly (e.g., if Gamma was terminated over something minor like weed, that would be absurd, regardless of JP laws). However, for those who wanted to leave, like Vesper apparently did, is it fair to have such expectations? Telling them, “You will always be Vesper/Magni in my heart, and you have no way out,” is unfair to them. It was disheartening to see some Vesties pushing these expectations onto his RM (or even other talents like Ruze).
I’m concerned that people will push the same sentiments onto Magni’s reincarnation.
Forcing them into a role forever is unfair to everyone involved. Whether they stay or go, everyone remains trapped in grief and limbo. This isn’t fair to anyone, in my humble opinion.
I think you’re talking about GoldBullet, not Ruze, you’re suspiciously one of the vesties who fled right? What are you doing here, aren’t you supposed to be at Discord?
I think you’re talking about GoldBullet, not Ruze, you’re suspiciously one of the vesties who fled right? What are you doing here, aren’t you supposed to be at Discord?
No, Magni is Magni, and Caspur is Caspur, there’s a difference. I’m fine with them changing contents and moving on, but it won’t change the fact that they were part of Tempus.
I know Rio doesn’t speak English very well, but this is honestly honestly more prone to misinterpretation. He’s like taking the indirectness of tactfully saying something in Japanese and literally translating it to English where it’s just confusing. Like what does this sentence mean?
I think some people don’t know what to make of it because of the lack of information, but I think it all comes down to the fact that the company made that choice.
I’m interpreting it as, fans don’t know what happened, but the fact the company made that choice (to fire someone suddenly) is what it all comes down to (should suggest to you that it was serious and justified). But I could be wrong!
Rio just talked about the matter on his last stream but i dont understand what he’s saying with my small japanese knowledge, can someone please help translate it 🥹
– The members know a bit of what happened, but they understand why the company won’t explain the reason
– Thinks Gamma should have known better, that the termination is 100% his fault and that he considers what he did a betrayal of his fans and supporters
– Hopes Gamma can reflect on the mistake he made and move forwards, but has no intention of forgiving him
– Will personally not mention him positively anymore on stream in the future
– However the fans are of course free to draw fanart, share their memories, etc. The positive feelings from those 2.5 years are valid too
– Apologizes to the fans who have supported them until now, wanted to give them more
– Understands if this makes people unhappy but these are his feelings after he had some time to think
I’m going to bet it was something sex-related, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was a crime. If Gamma got too close to a fan or someone on staff, that could also cause problems for the company.
honestly, “it is what you think” is just hard to decipher for me since I’m not Japanese. ofc there are universal things that are considered taboo (like the things that you mentioned) and can get you fired, but what if it’s something specific in Japanese culture.
also, like another anon mentioned, he was still allowed a final message and a note from Yagoo. I think it IS really bad if Rio don’t even want to mention him anymore, but not criminal
He says “It is what you think” and to draw your own conclusion from Cover not giving a reason. If you know how Japan is with drugs, you know what he’s trying to say imo. Cause anything else on the same level of severity just doesn’t work for the situation. If he was found with drugs it would make sense that Yagoo would still thank him for all the work he’s done, but also that the members would go “wtf were you thinking”, but wish him the best for his future self-improvement.
(Btw a company doesn’t need to report drug findings to the police)
It just doesn’t line up for me. I just thought if it was drugs, there’s still room to be like “he was a good friend, shame he did that”, but no, Rio dont want to mention him positively in the future.
These boys were close, but whatever he did overpowered the bond they had? how? And the thing that came to mind was, what if Gamma was 2 faced? what if he has an alt account where he just shit talks them. He was faking it and the bond they thought they had was fake after all. That’d be a betrayal, and it’ll be hard to talk positively about the person if that’s the case.
They still recognize his hard work (even Yagoo did), but like… yeah, this guy did his work, gotta give it to him, but he still made malicious comments about us. Don’t Cover take legal action against malicious comments? If they found out, one of the people they tryna take legal action on was their own talent, I’d say that can be grounds for termination.
The part about not mentioning Gamma positively in the future was not present in Rio’s own translation of that segment, which he specifically said was done because other translations included elements he didn’t agree with or intend. Things seem to be more along the lines of, “he did something that would obviously cause termination, and I can’t forgive that he’d betray the people who have supported him by getting terminated”.
So the drug theory is plausible.
I interpret that Gamma agreeing to termination of contract was betrayal to Rio as Rio also sees UPROAR as a 4-man group. Thus not being able to forgive him. Idk man I’m still struck by the announcement that it hurts to watch their lore animation. Looks like Gamma’s ’10- year plan’ came to a close.
if it was actually criminal they wouldn’t have worded the statement the way they did, he wouldn’t have been allowed a final message as gamma, and the CEO wouldn’t have made a tweet about it in that tone.
It depends on the severity of the crime, no? Getting caught with weed is very serious in Japan but does it maybe still allow for some leeway on a moral level? (like the goodbye message) Sexual misconduct definitely doesn’t. And I also don’t think it’s a matter of not doing his job properly, Gamma streamed a whole lot and it was never implied that he was falling behind on homework. I hope his roommate shows up soon…
I dunno why you guys only turn to those 2 as the possible choices. No idea in other countries, but where I’m from, u usually get caught with weed if a) u were the one selling it or b) u did another crime which warranted a search and they found u have it. both would’ve landed u in jail already.
Getting found with drugs is social death in Japan. Even just 1mg of weed. Your career is over. Look up all the idols and actors who disappeared overnight cause they were found with weed or meth. Drugs would at least explain Rio’s and Temma’s cold reactions while Yagoo can still make a tweet thanking Gamma for his work. Rio keeps mentioning there’s a reason they’re not making the reason public, and to draw your conclusions from that. So maybe they’re doing Gamma a solid by not completely destroying his PL career.
I honestly just can’t think of any other explanation.
Some JP fans think he might have been using his Holostars name to get work in other places (which is the likely reason for Kaoru getting fired, back then), but I just don’t think it fits Gamma’s situation at all.
It’s fine, Gamma is still Gamma for me, you can call me crazy. But that doesn’t mean that I’ll hate on Rio, I choose to support both. (Yes, even Gamma’s new persona)
Gamma’s graduation made me realize how much it hurts when they’re gone. I’ve been watching all the boys so much, even the ones I don’t usually watch, because I want to spend as much time with them as possible before it’s too late… I feel so parasocial for saying that but it’s the truth lol
There’s nothing bad about it? It would be strange if you didn’t care about or grow attached to your favorite streamers that you watch regularly. Attachment doesn’t automatically mean delusional or disrespecting boundaries or whatever. You are just acting like a normal human being.
Kaoru wasn’t with us for long, but I was destroyed when he left. Man, this time with Ganchan, it hits so much harder, because he has accomplished so much with Holostars. Watching the 5th Anniv concert will always be painful now.
Temma’s pl had a personal event yesterday and today, his parents came to visit it and I’ve seen some fans tweet that they managed to chat with his mother on the train home or that his father casually went to talk to him in front of everyone else lol
I think it’s funny how Temma basically has another life going on that’s very similar to Holostars. He’s got like a unit/group with his friends, they do group covers of songs (most popular one over 2,5 million views!) and he markets/sells his own character. He lives a double idol life basically.
Not really, just reading this, it’s easy to take it out of context. I wanna preface that I’m not that fluent in JP, for those wondering, this was at the very beginning of his SF6 stream, not even 2mins in. I suggest watch it to get an idea of Temma’s tone when he talked about it.
Here’s what I can understand from what he said:
– He mentioned that Gamma got terminated, and if you notice, he didn’t really post about it. There’s nothing else he can say.
– It is disappointing but there’s nothing you can really do about it. What can you do, right? (I’d say this is the same part in the 2nd bullet).
– Basically, everything is already there in the statement, even the reason, so that’s it, nothing more he can say.
– The “beautiful story” part in the 3rd bullet- it’s more like Temma didn’t wan’t to sugar-coat it, as it is what it is.
– The remaining members should take care and do their best, just like in Uproar’s statement of being more careful from now on and doing their best
– He knows that fans are probably confused and want to ask what the heck happened, but just know that there must be certain circumstances that led to this (I’d say just very corporate statement, like the company did it for a reason, it didn’t just happen on a whim)
– “it’s surprising right? But we’ll, let’s leave it at that” ( this is the ‘seriously that surprised me’ in the 6th bullet)
– lastly, someone in chat asked if he’s okay, and Temma answered that he’s okay. He’s a knight after all, knights are good at handling themselves
*PS: if there’s someone here that’s fluent in JP and would like to correct something, please do so
yeah i think that whoever said his personal obligations weren’t letting him fulfill his side of the contract sounds about right, not every termination comes from a leak
It was a very sudden termination to be something small, though. Some people are saying drugs, but tbh I feel like Cover would’ve been way harsher in the termination if that was the case. In sum: I have no idea haha
Ok, I’ll be more serious. I don’t know if Cover has it in itself to directly mention substance abuse as cause for termination. People will scrutinize management in addition to the talent if that’s the case.
It seemed to me it was repeated minor offenses that piled up over time. What these are, we’ll probably never know.
if it was drugs, Cover would have been a lot more aggressive (for a lack of a better word) with the announcement. getting caught using illegal substances is a complete social death sentence in Japan
I wonder about that. Since he did good work as Gamma, maybe they’re refraining from mentioning the reason as to not kill his whole PL career? There’s no coming back after being found with drugs in Japan.
I’m not intend on calling him a pothead, but I’m struggling to find any other reason but substance abuse for an extremely sudden termination like this, since apparently it’s not NDA-related (they would have clarified like before), not a crime (going by Uproar’s comments) and repeated mishaps at work would’ve caused a suspension first. Plus, anyone who watches Gamma regularly knows how much of a hard worker he is… it’s hard to believe he was continuously fucking things up to a point where they’d have to resort to an immediate termination (which is bad PR for Cover too).
i would think here or there but it will pop up if anyone finds him, that is if he pops up anywhere T^T he has deleted he accounts so i do hope someone does eventually
the safest bet would be keeping an eye on accounts of people that were close to Ganchan on either his corpo incarnation or his old deleted PL to see if they start interacting with someone with a familiar art style or mannerisms
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Rio happy birthday! Can’t believe its his 3rd birthday as a holostar and 2nd anniversary to his membership. Gamma leaving must be hard on him, but I look forward to his first tochimatsu >o<
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We lost another prodigy artists (Gamma and Magni)
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Rio have translated his explanation on his last stream comment section, please read it cause he don’t want anyone to misinterpret what he’s saying
https://www.youtube.com/live/hKL_jqFsOK8?si=CcWk4Qa_xGnsAvXM
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I appreciate the effort Rio but just like another anon said, this is more prone to misinterpretation (ᴗ_ ᴗ。) I tried looking for a 1:1 translation on what he said, but even starmins who I know does TL don’t want to do a translation in fear of miscommunicating his words and causing more issues
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It actually saddened me as him saying UPROAR will be 3 people TOT
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I’m going to be delusional and say
Holostars JP will always be 12
UPROAR!! will always be 4
Tempus will always be 8
Armis is and will always be 4 (unless another sub unit is added)!
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I’m neutral on this matter. I understand the frustration if they were terminated unfairly (e.g., if Gamma was terminated over something minor like weed, that would be absurd, regardless of JP laws). However, for those who wanted to leave, like Vesper apparently did, is it fair to have such expectations? Telling them, “You will always be Vesper/Magni in my heart, and you have no way out,” is unfair to them. It was disheartening to see some Vesties pushing these expectations onto his RM (or even other talents like Ruze).
I’m concerned that people will push the same sentiments onto Magni’s reincarnation.
Forcing them into a role forever is unfair to everyone involved. Whether they stay or go, everyone remains trapped in grief and limbo. This isn’t fair to anyone, in my humble opinion.
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I think you’re talking about GoldBullet, not Ruze, you’re suspiciously one of the vesties who fled right? What are you doing here, aren’t you supposed to be at Discord?
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I think you’re talking about GoldBullet, not Ruze, you’re suspiciously one of the vesties who fled right? What are you doing here, aren’t you supposed to be at Discord?
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I’ll support Caspur, because the person behind was the person who the person who was Magni.
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No, Magni is Magni, and Caspur is Caspur, there’s a difference. I’m fine with them changing contents and moving on, but it won’t change the fact that they were part of Tempus.
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I know Rio doesn’t speak English very well, but this is honestly honestly more prone to misinterpretation. He’s like taking the indirectness of tactfully saying something in Japanese and literally translating it to English where it’s just confusing. Like what does this sentence mean?
I’m interpreting it as, fans don’t know what happened, but the fact the company made that choice (to fire someone suddenly) is what it all comes down to (should suggest to you that it was serious and justified). But I could be wrong!
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Rio just talked about the matter on his last stream but i dont understand what he’s saying with my small japanese knowledge, can someone please help translate it 🥹
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– The members know a bit of what happened, but they understand why the company won’t explain the reason
– Thinks Gamma should have known better, that the termination is 100% his fault and that he considers what he did a betrayal of his fans and supporters
– Hopes Gamma can reflect on the mistake he made and move forwards, but has no intention of forgiving him
– Will personally not mention him positively anymore on stream in the future
– However the fans are of course free to draw fanart, share their memories, etc. The positive feelings from those 2.5 years are valid too
– Apologizes to the fans who have supported them until now, wanted to give them more
– Understands if this makes people unhappy but these are his feelings after he had some time to think
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What did you do Gamma…
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“If you’re a member of society, you know that you won’t get fired like this usually. Basically… it is what you think.”
Drugs or sexual misconduct. Probably drugs.
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it doesnt have to be those two exactly, something as “trivial” as tax evasion or marriage affair can also cause you pretty big problem
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I’m going to bet it was something sex-related, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was a crime. If Gamma got too close to a fan or someone on staff, that could also cause problems for the company.
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honestly, “it is what you think” is just hard to decipher for me since I’m not Japanese. ofc there are universal things that are considered taboo (like the things that you mentioned) and can get you fired, but what if it’s something specific in Japanese culture.
also, like another anon mentioned, he was still allowed a final message and a note from Yagoo. I think it IS really bad if Rio don’t even want to mention him anymore, but not criminal
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He says “It is what you think” and to draw your own conclusion from Cover not giving a reason. If you know how Japan is with drugs, you know what he’s trying to say imo. Cause anything else on the same level of severity just doesn’t work for the situation. If he was found with drugs it would make sense that Yagoo would still thank him for all the work he’s done, but also that the members would go “wtf were you thinking”, but wish him the best for his future self-improvement.
(Btw a company doesn’t need to report drug findings to the police)
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(I’ll just rant my brain worms here)
It just doesn’t line up for me. I just thought if it was drugs, there’s still room to be like “he was a good friend, shame he did that”, but no, Rio dont want to mention him positively in the future.
These boys were close, but whatever he did overpowered the bond they had? how? And the thing that came to mind was, what if Gamma was 2 faced? what if he has an alt account where he just shit talks them. He was faking it and the bond they thought they had was fake after all. That’d be a betrayal, and it’ll be hard to talk positively about the person if that’s the case.
They still recognize his hard work (even Yagoo did), but like… yeah, this guy did his work, gotta give it to him, but he still made malicious comments about us. Don’t Cover take legal action against malicious comments? If they found out, one of the people they tryna take legal action on was their own talent, I’d say that can be grounds for termination.
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The part about not mentioning Gamma positively in the future was not present in Rio’s own translation of that segment, which he specifically said was done because other translations included elements he didn’t agree with or intend. Things seem to be more along the lines of, “he did something that would obviously cause termination, and I can’t forgive that he’d betray the people who have supported him by getting terminated”.
So the drug theory is plausible.
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Oh okay, sorry about that. I only have the TL posted here to make my conclusion from. Didn’t know that part wasn’t originally said.
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If you want to take a look, he’s added it as a comment in the VOD.
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From the way they’re talking around this, it’s a high chance that it’s drug use….
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I interpret that Gamma agreeing to termination of contract was betrayal to Rio as Rio also sees UPROAR as a 4-man group. Thus not being able to forgive him. Idk man I’m still struck by the announcement that it hurts to watch their lore animation. Looks like Gamma’s ’10- year plan’ came to a close.
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if it was actually criminal they wouldn’t have worded the statement the way they did, he wouldn’t have been allowed a final message as gamma, and the CEO wouldn’t have made a tweet about it in that tone.
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It depends on the severity of the crime, no? Getting caught with weed is very serious in Japan but does it maybe still allow for some leeway on a moral level? (like the goodbye message) Sexual misconduct definitely doesn’t. And I also don’t think it’s a matter of not doing his job properly, Gamma streamed a whole lot and it was never implied that he was falling behind on homework. I hope his roommate shows up soon…
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I dunno why you guys only turn to those 2 as the possible choices. No idea in other countries, but where I’m from, u usually get caught with weed if a) u were the one selling it or b) u did another crime which warranted a search and they found u have it. both would’ve landed u in jail already.
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Getting found with drugs is social death in Japan. Even just 1mg of weed. Your career is over. Look up all the idols and actors who disappeared overnight cause they were found with weed or meth. Drugs would at least explain Rio’s and Temma’s cold reactions while Yagoo can still make a tweet thanking Gamma for his work. Rio keeps mentioning there’s a reason they’re not making the reason public, and to draw your conclusions from that. So maybe they’re doing Gamma a solid by not completely destroying his PL career.
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I honestly just can’t think of any other explanation.
Some JP fans think he might have been using his Holostars name to get work in other places (which is the likely reason for Kaoru getting fired, back then), but I just don’t think it fits Gamma’s situation at all.
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It’s fine, Gamma is still Gamma for me, you can call me crazy. But that doesn’t mean that I’ll hate on Rio, I choose to support both. (Yes, even Gamma’s new persona)
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Gamma’s been found?
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Timestamp for it?
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1:16:58 to 1:33:00
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Gamma’s graduation made me realize how much it hurts when they’re gone. I’ve been watching all the boys so much, even the ones I don’t usually watch, because I want to spend as much time with them as possible before it’s too late… I feel so parasocial for saying that but it’s the truth lol
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There’s nothing bad about it? It would be strange if you didn’t care about or grow attached to your favorite streamers that you watch regularly. Attachment doesn’t automatically mean delusional or disrespecting boundaries or whatever. You are just acting like a normal human being.
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Kaoru wasn’t with us for long, but I was destroyed when he left. Man, this time with Ganchan, it hits so much harder, because he has accomplished so much with Holostars. Watching the 5th Anniv concert will always be painful now.
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I was introduced to the male vtuber side by the debut of HQ, and I watch Kira’s VOD’s from time to time. It hurts me that I missed out on him.
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Temma’s pl had a personal event yesterday and today, his parents came to visit it and I’ve seen some fans tweet that they managed to chat with his mother on the train home or that his father casually went to talk to him in front of everyone else lol
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Technically it’s not on his channel, but the blessing cover he did with another group also has more than 5 million views
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I think it’s funny how Temma basically has another life going on that’s very similar to Holostars. He’s got like a unit/group with his friends, they do group covers of songs (most popular one over 2,5 million views!) and he markets/sells his own character. He lives a double idol life basically.
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Can anyone confirm is the translation is correct?
It’s Temma talking about Gamma’s termination.
Now I’m even more confused.
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/81202891
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Not really, just reading this, it’s easy to take it out of context. I wanna preface that I’m not that fluent in JP, for those wondering, this was at the very beginning of his SF6 stream, not even 2mins in. I suggest watch it to get an idea of Temma’s tone when he talked about it.
Here’s what I can understand from what he said:
– He mentioned that Gamma got terminated, and if you notice, he didn’t really post about it. There’s nothing else he can say.
– It is disappointing but there’s nothing you can really do about it. What can you do, right? (I’d say this is the same part in the 2nd bullet).
– Basically, everything is already there in the statement, even the reason, so that’s it, nothing more he can say.
– The “beautiful story” part in the 3rd bullet- it’s more like Temma didn’t wan’t to sugar-coat it, as it is what it is.
– The remaining members should take care and do their best, just like in Uproar’s statement of being more careful from now on and doing their best
– He knows that fans are probably confused and want to ask what the heck happened, but just know that there must be certain circumstances that led to this (I’d say just very corporate statement, like the company did it for a reason, it didn’t just happen on a whim)
– “it’s surprising right? But we’ll, let’s leave it at that” ( this is the ‘seriously that surprised me’ in the 6th bullet)
– lastly, someone in chat asked if he’s okay, and Temma answered that he’s okay. He’s a knight after all, knights are good at handling themselves
*PS: if there’s someone here that’s fluent in JP and would like to correct something, please do so
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It’s correct. It seems Gamma did something wrong and the other boys know of it and they think it was justified, but still sad.
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Thank you. To me it seems like it was something in his personal life rather than related to Holostars, then.
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yeah i think that whoever said his personal obligations weren’t letting him fulfill his side of the contract sounds about right, not every termination comes from a leak
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It was a very sudden termination to be something small, though. Some people are saying drugs, but tbh I feel like Cover would’ve been way harsher in the termination if that was the case. In sum: I have no idea haha
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He partied too hard 😭
Ok, I’ll be more serious. I don’t know if Cover has it in itself to directly mention substance abuse as cause for termination. People will scrutinize management in addition to the talent if that’s the case.
It seemed to me it was repeated minor offenses that piled up over time. What these are, we’ll probably never know.
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Is that why he’s always hyped, because of illegal substances? Was he this hyped as well in his PL?
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if it was drugs, Cover would have been a lot more aggressive (for a lack of a better word) with the announcement. getting caught using illegal substances is a complete social death sentence in Japan
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I wonder about that. Since he did good work as Gamma, maybe they’re refraining from mentioning the reason as to not kill his whole PL career? There’s no coming back after being found with drugs in Japan.
I’m not intend on calling him a pothead, but I’m struggling to find any other reason but substance abuse for an extremely sudden termination like this, since apparently it’s not NDA-related (they would have clarified like before), not a crime (going by Uproar’s comments) and repeated mishaps at work would’ve caused a suspension first. Plus, anyone who watches Gamma regularly knows how much of a hard worker he is… it’s hard to believe he was continuously fucking things up to a point where they’d have to resort to an immediate termination (which is bad PR for Cover too).
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Doesn’t illicit drug use or possession in Japan involve a criminal sentence? If it’s not a crime then it’s not substance abuse.
I just don’t see much point in speculating, because like with the EN side I don’t think we’ll ever know.
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Guys, where will I find about Gan-chans whereabouts, here, the graveyard, or the fleshtuber tab?
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i would think here or there but it will pop up if anyone finds him, that is if he pops up anywhere T^T he has deleted he accounts so i do hope someone does eventually
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the safest bet would be keeping an eye on accounts of people that were close to Ganchan on either his corpo incarnation or his old deleted PL to see if they start interacting with someone with a familiar art style or mannerisms
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