Based on liveposting from a FSPboy’s zatsu, their JP management is HARD pushing the shipping stuff and wants them to act a certain way to appeal to fans. All of these overlaps with Stars and Niji are definately intentional.
Glad their second gen will at least have senpais to tell them that they can and should push back against it if they don’t want to do it. I wish them well in the art of yelling at Japanese businessmen.
The fact that it’s management that’s been forcing them to do this makes me have a more respect for the boys now, and makes me feel really bad for them.
But like, genuine question then, how much does this fujobait actually still work on people these days? I’m asking because for me, watching real men (straight or not, but worse when they’re straight) who are also coworkers forcefully flirting with each other feels extremely awkward to watch and weirds me out. I feel like this is a fairly normal reaction for people so the number of folks who can look past that and genuinely get absorbed in the fantasy must surely be relatively small right? I know it worked incredibly well for Luxium back then but since most of them seemingly denounced that a long time ago it feels like many people realized how weird that was and moved on from it.
I could be completely wrong though and just projecting my experiences so I’m curious to see what other people think. Does fujo stuff work on you? Can you see past the forced nature of it? And if so, how? Are there a lot more people still “falling for” fujobait than I think?
i’m a lorehead fujo so if they lean too heavy into it i get annoyed since its kinda like theyre ruining the immersion lol. i have no problem with PL and stuff but i dont like it to cross over into the elysium world too much and for me fujobaiting kinda feels like that. but something like the bettel/hakka it takes two divorce arc was a good stream series in general because they rally well and you can tell they’re having fun with it rather than putting on a facade for superchats, ya know?
I think fujos who read a lot of RPF would be more susceptible to it. I’d probably self-identify as a fujo in general bc BL good mmmm yes but like you said RPF of completely heterosexual real guys flirting to wring money out of thirsty women just goes right over my head. But even outside of vtubers, female fans of male idols like that kinda stuff a lot too. The yume and fujo idol fans are a tale as old as time and vtubers that lean into the idol stuff are a natural extension of that.
(OP) Yeah I love me some fictional BL, no question, but same as you, it doesn’t translate to vtubers/real people for me.
I know that fujo and yume have always been, and always will be, part of male idol fandoms. I guess it just seems a little weirder for vtubers, especially ones with smaller communities, since there is so much more direct fan interaction than with typical idols. The vtubers have a much higher chance of seeing fujoposting/thirstposting on their twitter feeds or in chat and stuff. There’s also the fact that typical idols present themselves more as larger than life entities (products even? to put it cynically) and that disconnect can make it easier for people to see them as “playthings” they can mash together like Barbie dolls. On the other hand for vtubers, you see them day to day on a more personal level so they feel more like real people which, in my opinion, makes it a bit weirder to play around with them like that.
I guess my question is more like, is this strategy really still that effective in the vtuber community? I know it will always be there and there will be always be an audience that eats it up, but is that audience really still prevalent enough these days to justify companies like FSP pushing it so hard on all their talents? Or has the novelty of these real life anime men flirting with each other worn off since the days of Luxiem, leaving behind only a more niche audience that still seeks it out.
K-pop idols and even western bands have less of that wall these days. IG lives aren’t exactly like vtubing stream, but they’re still designed to make you feel more personally attatched to them. The comments getting out of hand can quite easily make it back to the talents. That one girl who sang Havana used to be in a girl group where she and another member got shipped so hard and so publically that it strained their friendship, and they purposefully limited how much they interacted in public because of it. IIRC, they did acknowledge that the fans liked the ship and thought it was cute in the early days, but that seemed to have been taken as blanket permission to go apeshit with it. And then they couldn’t get fans to stop when they drew a boundary on how much they were okay with. Same thing has happened on the IRL Youtuber side with Markiplier and Jacksepticeye. If I had to guess, for anyone who DOES enjoy the fujobaiting, they like the “stamp of approval” to go wild with it.
Numbers wise, I doubt it’s a good idea. There’s been enough time that male vtubers have popped up for people in non-English circles that have already displaced Luxiem, and those people aren’t going to be seeking another copy of Luxiem. Dacapo’s group from ARP seems like a good example of this for the Thai market. Menhera potential wise, it’s an absolutely awful idea. I don’t have the link handy, but I saw a clip where Kuro mentioned that the fans who treated him like a toy were always the ones who demanded the sexually-charged fujobaity stuff. It’s hard to have a proper grasp on it because they’re chasing the fans that a lot of people want to avoid.
I know that I’ve seen a lot of people who gravitate towards BL/shipping in male vtubers, when they lose the hyperfixation for their oshi, they often just leave vtubing all together. Some of them get frustrated when their oshi shows more flesh/behind the camera stuff and it affects their 2D immersion so they drop vtubing. If who they love graduates and it’s too emotional for them, a lot of them have returned to gacha, video games, or anime in general and go back to appreciating fully fictional beings. Or if they’re big fans of a group and the dynamic changes severely, they’ll get burnt out of following anything regarding that group, and go elsewhere in the vtuber space. Some of them move on to kpop or western male bands for the idol on stage feeling. While they are present, they are extremely passionate, but in terms of retention I find a lot of turnover within 6-12-18 month blocks of vtubers performing for their fanbase, so the talent needs to continually adapt their approach as their audience ebbs and flows and expects different content styles.
There are people who are into it and make their money off of it, we just don’t get it here because the Stars fanbase is pretty divorced from that sort of content on an intentionally generated level. I’d say different strokes for different folks but frankly I think a lot of it falls into weird RPF territory lol.
Yeah, as nice as the talents themselves are, the management strategy has definitely been riding the coat tails of holo/niji hard in hopes to become the 3rd well known corpo. They seem to have done an abrupt gear shift into hard pandering to the classic nijimale audience with lots of fanservice, yume, fujo, asmr, voice packs, parasocial etc. after the general breaking of nijiEN’s reputation and audience at the start of the year.
aspiring small vtuber corpos saw vox’s astronomical rise to fame and thought it’d be that easy every time. in reality that audience was just extremely untapped at the time and they all just saturated to luxiem and have hardly had any reason to move on to other places aside from the doki situation. we know holostars was never really catering to that audience and tempus HQ really went the gamer/niche interest route and it was successful enough at first, more than anyone predicted, but no corpos really took inspo from them. pretty much every vtuber subcategory has sorta plateaued at this point so new companies are struggling to understand how to grow the market and break out and just do what worked before.
– FSP fans going to /cbdct/ and asking for doxx information on the new gen : got told to unalive
– then they tried to shill the ruzerex baby shit on /mans/ : got told to take your trash somewhere else.
– and then all the discussion here, tagging and forcing Ruze and Jurard to acknowledge their existence on twitter, talking about getting new oshi etcetc
I said this in the most polite way possible, before shouting REEEEEEEE TRIBALISM maybe you guys should try creating your own space first and take your discussion there. Thank you.
Kinda annoying to see people go, “why are Stars fans so elitist?” when they have no idea how rough their starts have been. From the Hololive side, StarsJP started with Miyabi stressing over every tweet and somehow being attacked for things like tweeting out what server he was playing on in FFXIV. Yagoo had individualized meetings with them and acted like a personal manager for them in order to encourage them and keep their spirits up. Literally no one wanted to collab with them as a male vtuber group. StarsEN had a much better start than StarsJP, but the incidents with SALT’s responses to backlash being handled poorly killed a lot of goodwill. From the Niji side, HQ’s existence was accused of Cover trying to follow up on Luxiem’s success, and their models were made fun of for being uglier compared to Niji’s men. Not to mention the complete fandom culture clash when it comes to shipping and collabs. Collabs have been a HUGE sore spot. It’s no wonder why starmin hate it when people demand collabs. Public shipping is a major faux pas, and it seems disrespectful when you don’t care to learn about a fandom when you join it. Of course people are going to be annoyed.
Stars are always living in holo girls shadow and forced to create their own spaces and then everyone is surprised we want their space to be protected and just for them.
It’s sad to see all this tribalism towards FSP when the boys themselves clearly want them to do well. This new gen means new potential collab partners for them and more people with 3D they might be able to perform with on stage one day. I basically only watch StarsEN, but I want this gen to do well because seeing another corpo succeed with only EN males might actually push Cover to greenlight more projects for the boys or learn how to market them more effectively.
i think anon meant tribalism in the sense there’s people pretty much going “holo good, everything else bad” (not necessarily talking about this situation in particular)
Nobody’s really saying that on this site though. There’s a lot of FSP critique at the moment, but people also criticize holopro and niji, and corporations in general. I’ll say I think FSP2 is uninspired and boring and I’m not gonna watch them in their solo careers, but I welcome our boys to make friends wherever they will and have plentiful collabs. If anything the Hakka/Ike situation taught me that the talents are indies before they are talents and people before they are indies, and the indie community friendships run deep on a personal level, corporate or public personas don’t really have sway over that even if they grad and debut and grad and redebut over their lives.
At this point, criticizing management’s ability to support the talents is a time-honored tradition for HoloPro fans. (Especially abusing the perms guy.)
I never said I was talking specifically about the new gen when I said they want FSP to do well? I was referring to FSP in general, which includes Avallum, who the boys have tons of friendly interactions with. Altare literally appeared as a guest in Lucien’s 3D debut stream less than a month ago, called him a “dear friend” and said “I’m always rooting for you.” Some of the boys directly told the fans watching to check out the members of Avallum’s channels at the end of their collabs with them. Feels like you’re the one trying to put words in someone else’s mouth here dude.
Making shit up. FSP’s fanbase is made up of the same asshole fans that ran Nijisanji into the ground because FSP are Fujobait like Luxiem and Noctyx. Stars might dabble into that territory every once in a while, but are largely closer to a normal streamer than fujobait, kinda like later Niji waves like TTT or Ver and Doppio. Thinking they will get popular off of leeching FSP is cope.
I really feel bad for these new boys. I watched a video a while ago that talked about how there are so many small vtuber agencies that pop up and try to copy the formula set up by Niji and Holo but they usually don’t last more than a couple years. They seem to think that because it worked for the big two then that’s just the single winning formula but instead it ends up making their agency and talents feel feeling boring, derivative, and forgettable.
I feel like FSP, and especially this new gen falls into that HARD. With the cringy debut voice lines, increasingly overcomplicated designs, bizarre, forced sounding names, pointless lore that will probably go nowhere, it all feels so derivative and formulaic.
No agency will ever go anywhere following this tired formula, the few smaller agencies we’ve seen that have had success have done at least something different (like Idol for example, letting their talents choose their own designs among other things) So with the additional fact of FSP seemingly drawing comparisons to some existing talents with their designs/art mamas, I feel like these new boys are set up,to fail from the beginning.
I did some extra investigating because I thought it was weird that they only used StarsEN mamas. Surprise! Two of the other boys have Noctyx mamas. One of them has Uki’s mama, and the cyborg has Sonny’s mama. It’s worth pointing out that means there’s TWO talents whose mamas were told to draw a concept that matches with one of the genmates of their first son. It’s being pushed on them SO. HARD.
With how forced some of the model connections feel, it feels like their company is trying to appeal to people as some sort of Stars DLC? I’m also not a fan of the debut overlap with ARMIS. If I wanted to go full crazy conspiracy about it, a gen in Cover will always be slammed around their first anniversary, no matter what branch they’re in. Why not debut your new talents, which you’ve already made connected to Stars, right when it’s practically guaranteed that half their talents won’t be streaming? Their fans are going to be looking for something to watch….
Honestly, I thought that their first gen was already doing pretty good, especially for being male vtubers in a small corpo. Let them develop and shine on their own. They’ve already networked with Niji and Stars and made genuine connections with them. Why go for forced connections at this point? Trust your talents.
I agree, smaller agencies keep hiring mamas of already well established and iconic vtubers with distinct looks and personalities, and that dooms the new talent to be constantly in their shadow. I saw this happen before with a small agency hiring dokibirds and eliras mama, and the novelty of being siblings really did not help the poor girl at all…
Even though Tempus HQ got a lot of shit for models looking a bit odd, the design sense was extremely unique and strong. They were unified by lore that wasn’t overly complex and had a lot of room for fan interpretation, and the theming was extremely different from the norm of EN male vtubers at the time. The continued story of “Elysium” makes them stand out in a way that still does even to this day. Even though their beginning was rough, they still stood out and are recognized for being different, which is infinitely better then being derivative and forgettable. Of course, talents personalities are also important, but as vtubers the visual aspect is really important, especially in the debut/first impressions period
I’ve only watched Nova, who probably had the worst to overcome before debut out of the sisters since she’s also purple. She plays into her design theme and has a fairly strong personality, and she set herself apart pretty well via mad scientist handcams. But part of that included a rat spankingpetting (unintentional, motor was so weak that it only worked in the spanking direction) and fire. (rip Mr. Nibbles) Plus, she wasn’t expected to have any sort of interaction with Selen/Elira.
The two FSP boys definitely got screwed over in being able to seperate themselves on debut since people are going to push them to interact with their model brothers. Dancer dude might have lucked out with how on-and-off Bettel’s going to be during the holidays. However, based on what someone said about the languages, their dino might also be Filipino, which….good luck, man. From how much Tagalog streams got pushed for Jurard and Octavio, he’s 100% going to be bombarded with requests for a Jurard collab.
It’s weird to me that we’re worrying about the boys who have StarsEN brothers when two of their genmates have Niji EN bros. Then I remember this site is Holostars-centric.
Uki has been receptive of Nayuta (the alien) but I haven’t seen Sonny and Nix (the roomba cyborg) interact yet. If they have, pls link. I don’t doubt people are pushing for an Uki-Nayu collab because they interacted. Meanwhile, I’m more inclined to believe FSP dino is Thai who picked up Tagalog from a friend or general online SEA discourse. I could be wrong and am willing to accept that. I thought the push for Tagalog streams would slow down after August (which was Filipino language month) but I’m not sure.
crazy to me how many people are swayed by art alone. Just because I enjoy watching a boy drawn by a good artist doesn’t mean anything about who else they draw. At this point you’re just a fan of the artist, which is fine, but maybe you aren’t here for the boys at all if thats the case. Go play a gacha game.
but isn’t the point here that people /aren’t/ that swayed by who the artist is? since many people i’ve seen, including the anon above, said that having a mama with an existing successful vtuber child doesn’t necessarily make them more interested in their new child, at least not for long after the novelty wears off.
Sounds like fsp should start coming up with its own ideas if they want to succeed. Im not pity watching corporate vtubers when they signed up to be there.
Seems weird to me that they want to follow niji and holo strat but have hard boundaries between their jp and en talents interacting, it’s even stricter than hololive and they’re an idol company
huh? what even is the reasoning for doing that? seriously, what good could come from preventing two branches from interacting with each other just because they, presumably, don’t speak the same language?
From this https://youtu.be/lbamrTe1PbM?si=fUr8R2DspN7Jh9c5 even the avallum guys don’t know why its so separate to the point they aren’t familiar with jp models because they don’t interact.In zanders bathhouse stream (timestamp 1:39:08) he didn’t recognize a jp kouhai(edgar) was in the game, chat was shocked and he had to explain again that jp to en interactions are very separate
First, I accidentally pressed Report. Sorry nonnie 😰
Second, I heard all of FSP JP’s 1st gen graduated recently. What is up with that? The non-interaction between branches makes it easier to hide any issue on the JP side, containing it there.
It’s pretty confusing since “all of FSP JP’s 1st gen graduated recently” isn’t quite right. All of their 1st gen graduated, but only 4 of them graduated together. Why? Well, they started at 7. One girl was suspended during debut month and finally was terminated 7 months later (Nov 2023). Another girl was suspended in Oct and graduated in Dec. Third girl went on hiatus in Nov and graduated Jan 2024. The remaining 4 graduated together as a sign of support…in August 2024, because a guy from the THIRD gen got terminated. Can’t find anything on why people got terminated.
I forgot where I read about the FSP’s discussion before but some people that follow the company on jp side had noticed that they pumped most resources on the en gen which will now be strictly male because they were trying to take over the male vtuber market after fall of njsanjien. Before they debut and until now they were given tons youtube ads, 3d, given more freedom to do stuff and a lot of thing while the jp got nothing. Probably the strict separation was because of this. I will try to find the source again if i can.
Theres just as many boys in fsp as there are in stars en all in less time than armis has existed lol I’m not gonna bother keeping up with that. Enjoy niji 2, friends.
To be fair, Tempus had 8 talents debut in 6 months, and we only have 10 now due to losing 2 people. Establishing a solid talent roster early on at least prevents your stream lineup from feeling empty if some people need to take breaks. Tempus nearly had a stretch where everyone was on break. Hakka was travelling to Japan, Axel had exams, and Altare, Bettel, and Flayon were meeting up. The only reason Shinri was still streaming was because his dog sitter fell through, so he couldn’t go to the off-collab.
There are other things you could attack FSP for, like how their pre-debut tweets are filled with horny posting and that one guy drawing a heated sketch of himself about to kiss his genmate.
I have a vague memory of the Avallum boys showing rough concept art of their gen/the next gen a long while back. Were any of the current alleged overlap concepts with other agencies present in those designs back then?
FSP’s method is that they show concept art and give a sample line and personality traits for the character before the auditions, so you already have an idea of what it’s going to be long ahead of debut and can tailor your video to the character. The concepts for these characters were already revealed in April: https://x.com/fsp_english/status/1779525620508291482
Their 2nd gen’s concept art can be seen in FSP EN’s audition page. Already knew one of them was going to be a dino so I was wondering if they were really going to introduce that design when Jurard has been around for 5 months by then.
I still think of her “The Lazy Song”, “Agadoo”, and “Reach For The Stars” segments from that chibi Liz stream…. I will say, the Justice chibi models are definitely my favorites out of the bunch. They’re so perfect….
One can speak Tagalog and Thai(Dino), One is Aussie(the Oni), One can speak Korean and Chinese(senzaki youngest son), One can speak Japanese(The Alien) and One still unknown (the cyborg)
I would like to visit that website too. The new boys interesting also one of them is really good friend with Taiga Chama so I’m really super curious. But because this place was Holostars anon fandoms, I can’t talk too much here.
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Based on liveposting from a FSPboy’s zatsu, their JP management is HARD pushing the shipping stuff and wants them to act a certain way to appeal to fans. All of these overlaps with Stars and Niji are definately intentional.
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/88442436#p88452122
Glad their second gen will at least have senpais to tell them that they can and should push back against it if they don’t want to do it. I wish them well in the art of yelling at Japanese businessmen.
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Can you give a link to Zanny’s stream where he talked about it?
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not OP but according to the livepost it’s this stream:
https://youtu.be/MDWALpqmtEc?t=7909
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The fact that it’s management that’s been forcing them to do this makes me have a more respect for the boys now, and makes me feel really bad for them.
But like, genuine question then, how much does this fujobait actually still work on people these days? I’m asking because for me, watching real men (straight or not, but worse when they’re straight) who are also coworkers forcefully flirting with each other feels extremely awkward to watch and weirds me out. I feel like this is a fairly normal reaction for people so the number of folks who can look past that and genuinely get absorbed in the fantasy must surely be relatively small right? I know it worked incredibly well for Luxium back then but since most of them seemingly denounced that a long time ago it feels like many people realized how weird that was and moved on from it.
I could be completely wrong though and just projecting my experiences so I’m curious to see what other people think. Does fujo stuff work on you? Can you see past the forced nature of it? And if so, how? Are there a lot more people still “falling for” fujobait than I think?
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i’m a lorehead fujo so if they lean too heavy into it i get annoyed since its kinda like theyre ruining the immersion lol. i have no problem with PL and stuff but i dont like it to cross over into the elysium world too much and for me fujobaiting kinda feels like that. but something like the bettel/hakka it takes two divorce arc was a good stream series in general because they rally well and you can tell they’re having fun with it rather than putting on a facade for superchats, ya know?
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I think fujos who read a lot of RPF would be more susceptible to it. I’d probably self-identify as a fujo in general bc BL good mmmm yes but like you said RPF of completely heterosexual real guys flirting to wring money out of thirsty women just goes right over my head. But even outside of vtubers, female fans of male idols like that kinda stuff a lot too. The yume and fujo idol fans are a tale as old as time and vtubers that lean into the idol stuff are a natural extension of that.
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that’s the thing though. even for fujos that are into RPF, it being so forced and artificial takes the fun out of the whole deal
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(OP) Yeah I love me some fictional BL, no question, but same as you, it doesn’t translate to vtubers/real people for me.
I know that fujo and yume have always been, and always will be, part of male idol fandoms. I guess it just seems a little weirder for vtubers, especially ones with smaller communities, since there is so much more direct fan interaction than with typical idols. The vtubers have a much higher chance of seeing fujoposting/thirstposting on their twitter feeds or in chat and stuff. There’s also the fact that typical idols present themselves more as larger than life entities (products even? to put it cynically) and that disconnect can make it easier for people to see them as “playthings” they can mash together like Barbie dolls. On the other hand for vtubers, you see them day to day on a more personal level so they feel more like real people which, in my opinion, makes it a bit weirder to play around with them like that.
I guess my question is more like, is this strategy really still that effective in the vtuber community? I know it will always be there and there will be always be an audience that eats it up, but is that audience really still prevalent enough these days to justify companies like FSP pushing it so hard on all their talents? Or has the novelty of these real life anime men flirting with each other worn off since the days of Luxiem, leaving behind only a more niche audience that still seeks it out.
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K-pop idols and even western bands have less of that wall these days. IG lives aren’t exactly like vtubing stream, but they’re still designed to make you feel more personally attatched to them. The comments getting out of hand can quite easily make it back to the talents. That one girl who sang Havana used to be in a girl group where she and another member got shipped so hard and so publically that it strained their friendship, and they purposefully limited how much they interacted in public because of it. IIRC, they did acknowledge that the fans liked the ship and thought it was cute in the early days, but that seemed to have been taken as blanket permission to go apeshit with it. And then they couldn’t get fans to stop when they drew a boundary on how much they were okay with. Same thing has happened on the IRL Youtuber side with Markiplier and Jacksepticeye. If I had to guess, for anyone who DOES enjoy the fujobaiting, they like the “stamp of approval” to go wild with it.
Numbers wise, I doubt it’s a good idea. There’s been enough time that male vtubers have popped up for people in non-English circles that have already displaced Luxiem, and those people aren’t going to be seeking another copy of Luxiem. Dacapo’s group from ARP seems like a good example of this for the Thai market. Menhera potential wise, it’s an absolutely awful idea. I don’t have the link handy, but I saw a clip where Kuro mentioned that the fans who treated him like a toy were always the ones who demanded the sexually-charged fujobaity stuff. It’s hard to have a proper grasp on it because they’re chasing the fans that a lot of people want to avoid.
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I know that I’ve seen a lot of people who gravitate towards BL/shipping in male vtubers, when they lose the hyperfixation for their oshi, they often just leave vtubing all together. Some of them get frustrated when their oshi shows more flesh/behind the camera stuff and it affects their 2D immersion so they drop vtubing. If who they love graduates and it’s too emotional for them, a lot of them have returned to gacha, video games, or anime in general and go back to appreciating fully fictional beings. Or if they’re big fans of a group and the dynamic changes severely, they’ll get burnt out of following anything regarding that group, and go elsewhere in the vtuber space. Some of them move on to kpop or western male bands for the idol on stage feeling. While they are present, they are extremely passionate, but in terms of retention I find a lot of turnover within 6-12-18 month blocks of vtubers performing for their fanbase, so the talent needs to continually adapt their approach as their audience ebbs and flows and expects different content styles.
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This is oddly specific but thank you for the insight
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There are people who are into it and make their money off of it, we just don’t get it here because the Stars fanbase is pretty divorced from that sort of content on an intentionally generated level. I’d say different strokes for different folks but frankly I think a lot of it falls into weird RPF territory lol.
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Yeah, as nice as the talents themselves are, the management strategy has definitely been riding the coat tails of holo/niji hard in hopes to become the 3rd well known corpo. They seem to have done an abrupt gear shift into hard pandering to the classic nijimale audience with lots of fanservice, yume, fujo, asmr, voice packs, parasocial etc. after the general breaking of nijiEN’s reputation and audience at the start of the year.
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aspiring small vtuber corpos saw vox’s astronomical rise to fame and thought it’d be that easy every time. in reality that audience was just extremely untapped at the time and they all just saturated to luxiem and have hardly had any reason to move on to other places aside from the doki situation. we know holostars was never really catering to that audience and tempus HQ really went the gamer/niche interest route and it was successful enough at first, more than anyone predicted, but no corpos really took inspo from them. pretty much every vtuber subcategory has sorta plateaued at this point so new companies are struggling to understand how to grow the market and break out and just do what worked before.
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– FSP fans going to /cbdct/ and asking for doxx information on the new gen : got told to unalive
– then they tried to shill the ruzerex baby shit on /mans/ : got told to take your trash somewhere else.
– and then all the discussion here, tagging and forcing Ruze and Jurard to acknowledge their existence on twitter, talking about getting new oshi etcetc
I said this in the most polite way possible, before shouting REEEEEEEE TRIBALISM maybe you guys should try creating your own space first and take your discussion there. Thank you.
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Kinda annoying to see people go, “why are Stars fans so elitist?” when they have no idea how rough their starts have been. From the Hololive side, StarsJP started with Miyabi stressing over every tweet and somehow being attacked for things like tweeting out what server he was playing on in FFXIV. Yagoo had individualized meetings with them and acted like a personal manager for them in order to encourage them and keep their spirits up. Literally no one wanted to collab with them as a male vtuber group. StarsEN had a much better start than StarsJP, but the incidents with SALT’s responses to backlash being handled poorly killed a lot of goodwill. From the Niji side, HQ’s existence was accused of Cover trying to follow up on Luxiem’s success, and their models were made fun of for being uglier compared to Niji’s men. Not to mention the complete fandom culture clash when it comes to shipping and collabs. Collabs have been a HUGE sore spot. It’s no wonder why starmin hate it when people demand collabs. Public shipping is a major faux pas, and it seems disrespectful when you don’t care to learn about a fandom when you join it. Of course people are going to be annoyed.
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Stars are always living in holo girls shadow and forced to create their own spaces and then everyone is surprised we want their space to be protected and just for them.
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It’s sad to see all this tribalism towards FSP when the boys themselves clearly want them to do well. This new gen means new potential collab partners for them and more people with 3D they might be able to perform with on stage one day. I basically only watch StarsEN, but I want this gen to do well because seeing another corpo succeed with only EN males might actually push Cover to greenlight more projects for the boys or learn how to market them more effectively.
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Do you learn what words mean before you use them or do you just start taking shots in the dark after you see them a couple times lol
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i think anon meant tribalism in the sense there’s people pretty much going “holo good, everything else bad” (not necessarily talking about this situation in particular)
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Nobody’s really saying that on this site though. There’s a lot of FSP critique at the moment, but people also criticize holopro and niji, and corporations in general. I’ll say I think FSP2 is uninspired and boring and I’m not gonna watch them in their solo careers, but I welcome our boys to make friends wherever they will and have plentiful collabs. If anything the Hakka/Ike situation taught me that the talents are indies before they are talents and people before they are indies, and the indie community friendships run deep on a personal level, corporate or public personas don’t really have sway over that even if they grad and debut and grad and redebut over their lives.
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At this point, criticizing management’s ability to support the talents is a time-honored tradition for HoloPro fans. (Especially abusing the perms guy.)
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anon please google what tribalism means and don’t use words you only vaguely understand
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…what tribalism?
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Have any of the boys interacted with these new boys or are you just making shit up
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I never said I was talking specifically about the new gen when I said they want FSP to do well? I was referring to FSP in general, which includes Avallum, who the boys have tons of friendly interactions with. Altare literally appeared as a guest in Lucien’s 3D debut stream less than a month ago, called him a “dear friend” and said “I’m always rooting for you.” Some of the boys directly told the fans watching to check out the members of Avallum’s channels at the end of their collabs with them. Feels like you’re the one trying to put words in someone else’s mouth here dude.
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Making shit up. FSP’s fanbase is made up of the same asshole fans that ran Nijisanji into the ground because FSP are Fujobait like Luxiem and Noctyx. Stars might dabble into that territory every once in a while, but are largely closer to a normal streamer than fujobait, kinda like later Niji waves like TTT or Ver and Doppio. Thinking they will get popular off of leeching FSP is cope.
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No idea wtf OP is talking about but your post here is tribalism lol
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Cry about it, loser.
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– random disney movie bully, 2006
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I really feel bad for these new boys. I watched a video a while ago that talked about how there are so many small vtuber agencies that pop up and try to copy the formula set up by Niji and Holo but they usually don’t last more than a couple years. They seem to think that because it worked for the big two then that’s just the single winning formula but instead it ends up making their agency and talents feel feeling boring, derivative, and forgettable.
I feel like FSP, and especially this new gen falls into that HARD. With the cringy debut voice lines, increasingly overcomplicated designs, bizarre, forced sounding names, pointless lore that will probably go nowhere, it all feels so derivative and formulaic.
No agency will ever go anywhere following this tired formula, the few smaller agencies we’ve seen that have had success have done at least something different (like Idol for example, letting their talents choose their own designs among other things) So with the additional fact of FSP seemingly drawing comparisons to some existing talents with their designs/art mamas, I feel like these new boys are set up,to fail from the beginning.
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I did some extra investigating because I thought it was weird that they only used StarsEN mamas. Surprise! Two of the other boys have Noctyx mamas. One of them has Uki’s mama, and the cyborg has Sonny’s mama. It’s worth pointing out that means there’s TWO talents whose mamas were told to draw a concept that matches with one of the genmates of their first son. It’s being pushed on them SO. HARD.
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With how forced some of the model connections feel, it feels like their company is trying to appeal to people as some sort of Stars DLC? I’m also not a fan of the debut overlap with ARMIS. If I wanted to go full crazy conspiracy about it, a gen in Cover will always be slammed around their first anniversary, no matter what branch they’re in. Why not debut your new talents, which you’ve already made connected to Stars, right when it’s practically guaranteed that half their talents won’t be streaming? Their fans are going to be looking for something to watch….
Honestly, I thought that their first gen was already doing pretty good, especially for being male vtubers in a small corpo. Let them develop and shine on their own. They’ve already networked with Niji and Stars and made genuine connections with them. Why go for forced connections at this point? Trust your talents.
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I agree, smaller agencies keep hiring mamas of already well established and iconic vtubers with distinct looks and personalities, and that dooms the new talent to be constantly in their shadow. I saw this happen before with a small agency hiring dokibirds and eliras mama, and the novelty of being siblings really did not help the poor girl at all…
Even though Tempus HQ got a lot of shit for models looking a bit odd, the design sense was extremely unique and strong. They were unified by lore that wasn’t overly complex and had a lot of room for fan interpretation, and the theming was extremely different from the norm of EN male vtubers at the time. The continued story of “Elysium” makes them stand out in a way that still does even to this day. Even though their beginning was rough, they still stood out and are recognized for being different, which is infinitely better then being derivative and forgettable. Of course, talents personalities are also important, but as vtubers the visual aspect is really important, especially in the debut/first impressions period
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Daiya? Nova? Another daughter I’m not aware of?
I’ve only watched Nova, who probably had the worst to overcome before debut out of the sisters since she’s also purple. She plays into her design theme and has a fairly strong personality, and she set herself apart pretty well via mad scientist handcams. But part of that included a rat
spankingpetting (unintentional, motor was so weak that it only worked in the spanking direction) and fire. (rip Mr. Nibbles) Plus, she wasn’t expected to have any sort of interaction with Selen/Elira.The two FSP boys definitely got screwed over in being able to seperate themselves on debut since people are going to push them to interact with their model brothers. Dancer dude might have lucked out with how on-and-off Bettel’s going to be during the holidays. However, based on what someone said about the languages, their dino might also be Filipino, which….good luck, man. From how much Tagalog streams got pushed for Jurard and Octavio, he’s 100% going to be bombarded with requests for a Jurard collab.
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It’s weird to me that we’re worrying about the boys who have StarsEN brothers when two of their genmates have Niji EN bros. Then I remember this site is Holostars-centric.
Uki has been receptive of Nayuta (the alien) but I haven’t seen Sonny and Nix (the
roombacyborg) interact yet. If they have, pls link. I don’t doubt people are pushing for an Uki-Nayu collab because they interacted. Meanwhile, I’m more inclined to believe FSP dino is Thai who picked up Tagalog from a friend or general online SEA discourse. I could be wrong and am willing to accept that. I thought the push for Tagalog streams would slow down after August (which was Filipino language month) but I’m not sure.Report
crazy to me how many people are swayed by art alone. Just because I enjoy watching a boy drawn by a good artist doesn’t mean anything about who else they draw. At this point you’re just a fan of the artist, which is fine, but maybe you aren’t here for the boys at all if thats the case. Go play a gacha game.
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but isn’t the point here that people /aren’t/ that swayed by who the artist is? since many people i’ve seen, including the anon above, said that having a mama with an existing successful vtuber child doesn’t necessarily make them more interested in their new child, at least not for long after the novelty wears off.
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My response wasn’t accusing op of being swayed by art, but adding to their point that i do see a lot of people on twitter who seem to be.
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ah ok fair enough
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Sounds like fsp should start coming up with its own ideas if they want to succeed. Im not pity watching corporate vtubers when they signed up to be there.
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Seems weird to me that they want to follow niji and holo strat but have hard boundaries between their jp and en talents interacting, it’s even stricter than hololive and they’re an idol company
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huh? what even is the reasoning for doing that? seriously, what good could come from preventing two branches from interacting with each other just because they, presumably, don’t speak the same language?
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From this https://youtu.be/lbamrTe1PbM?si=fUr8R2DspN7Jh9c5 even the avallum guys don’t know why its so separate to the point they aren’t familiar with jp models because they don’t interact.In zanders bathhouse stream (timestamp 1:39:08) he didn’t recognize a jp kouhai(edgar) was in the game, chat was shocked and he had to explain again that jp to en interactions are very separate
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First, I accidentally pressed Report. Sorry nonnie 😰
Second, I heard all of FSP JP’s 1st gen graduated recently. What is up with that? The non-interaction between branches makes it easier to hide any issue on the JP side, containing it there.
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It’s pretty confusing since “all of FSP JP’s 1st gen graduated recently” isn’t quite right. All of their 1st gen graduated, but only 4 of them graduated together. Why? Well, they started at 7. One girl was suspended during debut month and finally was terminated 7 months later (Nov 2023). Another girl was suspended in Oct and graduated in Dec. Third girl went on hiatus in Nov and graduated Jan 2024. The remaining 4 graduated together as a sign of support…in August 2024, because a guy from the THIRD gen got terminated. Can’t find anything on why people got terminated.
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I forgot where I read about the FSP’s discussion before but some people that follow the company on jp side had noticed that they pumped most resources on the en gen which will now be strictly male because they were trying to take over the male vtuber market after fall of njsanjien. Before they debut and until now they were given tons youtube ads, 3d, given more freedom to do stuff and a lot of thing while the jp got nothing. Probably the strict separation was because of this. I will try to find the source again if i can.
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sounds like another black company on the rise
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wow they really CAN be the new Njisanji!
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Theres just as many boys in fsp as there are in stars en all in less time than armis has existed lol I’m not gonna bother keeping up with that. Enjoy niji 2, friends.
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To be fair, Tempus had 8 talents debut in 6 months, and we only have 10 now due to losing 2 people. Establishing a solid talent roster early on at least prevents your stream lineup from feeling empty if some people need to take breaks. Tempus nearly had a stretch where everyone was on break. Hakka was travelling to Japan, Axel had exams, and Altare, Bettel, and Flayon were meeting up. The only reason Shinri was still streaming was because his dog sitter fell through, so he couldn’t go to the off-collab.
There are other things you could attack FSP for, like how their pre-debut tweets are filled with horny posting and that one guy drawing a heated sketch of himself about to kiss his genmate.
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I have a vague memory of the Avallum boys showing rough concept art of their gen/the next gen a long while back. Were any of the current alleged overlap concepts with other agencies present in those designs back then?
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FSP’s method is that they show concept art and give a sample line and personality traits for the character before the auditions, so you already have an idea of what it’s going to be long ahead of debut and can tailor your video to the character. The concepts for these characters were already revealed in April: https://x.com/fsp_english/status/1779525620508291482
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Their 2nd gen’s concept art can be seen in FSP EN’s audition page. Already knew one of them was going to be a dino so I was wondering if they were really going to introduce that design when Jurard has been around for 5 months by then.
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Jurard is hardly the first Dino vtuber dude, there’s lots of similar designs between the corpos and it won’t really stand out a few months from now
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sure he’s not the first dino vtuber but don’t act like it’s a coincidence when fsp clearly knew the stars and avallum fandoms overlapped so heavily
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chibi ERB gives me cuteness aggression…. i just wanna grab her and squeeze her and shake her (respectfully)
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I still think of her “The Lazy Song”, “Agadoo”, and “Reach For The Stars” segments from that chibi Liz stream…. I will say, the Justice chibi models are definitely my favorites out of the bunch. They’re so perfect….
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I can’t waiittttttt for her to get 3d her little chuuni movements are so.. she’s so cute i want to bite her. Flair is in her soul.
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she looks like a marketable plushie and I want to chew on her cheek
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Say what you all want about the new boys, I’m getting a breath of fresh air
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Fsp marketing team never give up with this kind of strategy
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why are you on a stars fan page then lol
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One can speak Tagalog and Thai(Dino), One is Aussie(the Oni), One can speak Korean and Chinese(senzaki youngest son), One can speak Japanese(The Alien) and One still unknown (the cyborg)
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and?
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Forgive all these dumb anon. They don’t have their own place after nyfco shut down
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I remember someone in nina page send a website similar to nyfco as a backup but people were too busy jumping on hate bandwagons to even save it lol
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I would like to visit that website too. The new boys interesting also one of them is really good friend with Taiga Chama so I’m really super curious. But because this place was Holostars anon fandoms, I can’t talk too much here.
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Thought I saw someone mention that there was a recent grad in Taiga’s group, but I guess the thread got nuked. Probably that guy.
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Waiting for fsp gen 2 pl
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Who was FSP Gen 1 PLs?
All I remember is
Lucien Lunaris is Rimmu. Zander Netherbrand is Hollow_VA. Rosco Graves was EngramTRJN.
I wonder if another small vtuber got picked up like Rosco was? Or if they went exclusively big vtubers?
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Cassian Floros: Akatora Chimon
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chimon? is he the same guy that ppl in nyfco wanted to get in nijien?
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yup
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omg ty ty
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I’m so excited for the interactions but I only have so much time *sighs in 10+ oshi’s*
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I need to know who Ryzar was so bad
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I can’t afford more oshis PLEASE I’m gonna die
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