Since there’s been a discussion on collabs here’s a little list on which boys have done the most stars collabs this year for tempus, I can make one for armis as well my qualifications is that the collab must contain atleast one stars en or jp member to be considered a stars collab and this is not including nuked or unarchived vods
Axel: 40
Altare: 27
Bettel: 17
Flayon: 23
Hakka: 27
Shinri: 18
Ps, if wanted I can include the nuked vods and updated list and this is only truly counting those who have the vods up on their channels for this.
That’s kind of interesting to me just from a data perspective. The average of that would be ~25 Stars collabs, putting both Shinri and Bettel more than 25% below the average of Tempus as a whole.
Pondering the various factors that could be contributing to it could be fun. Part of it is definitely just the games they prefer playing, like someone else already mentioned. The fact it’s the two oldest(?) boys left also attracts my attention, but I’m not sure if there’s any causation to that correlation.
I do think it’s just games that they like to play debuff. Shinri leans towards more story based games where you can really take your time and flesh things out on your own and or games that are good to zatsu to like minecraft and while the minecraft collabs are my fave there’s only a few boys who play it regularly and at the same time. Bettel leans into nostalgia for a lot of his games he plays on stream or stuff he knows he’ll be good at outside of viewer requested stuff that he asks for. I like the age theory though considering if we took that into account flayon being 3rd would slot right into place since he’s 3rd oldest iirc? Correct me if i’m wrong. Side note, if Bettel and Shinri collabed more I would be healed. COD black ops with the boys when.
Yeah! Possibly strengthening the argument from the opposite perspective, I believe Axel is the youngest in Tempus by a little bit, and he’s uh. 60% above the average, pulling the entire center upward.
If Altare or Hakka is actually younger than him, someone please correct me on that.
Axel is the youngest in Tempus and I think of StarsEN in general? I would also like to say that he has seeked out collabs more than the other boys and said that’s one of the things that he really loves doing is collabs with the boys. It’s why he looks opon peak HQ times so fondly probably. Hakka and Altare are around the same age I think.
– Shinri: early 30s
– Bettel: late late 20s (I think 28/29?)
– Flayon: mid 20s, probably a couple of years under Bettel (so 26/27)
– Hakka: I swear I saw back when VG debuted that he was mid 20s, so it’s very likely he’s the same age range as Flayon if not close (25/26)
– Altare: 1 year older than Axel I believe, so 25
– Axel: absolutely the youngest at 24
But it definitely is that there’s an age split at Shinri/Bettel/Flayon and Hakka/Altare/Axel.
Bonus, as I think if you add in Armis:
– Goldbullet: somewhere in-between Shinri and Bettel
– Ruze: somewhere in-between Bettel and Flayon
– Octavio: closer to Flayon’s age or the same range as Ruze
– Jurard: he’s definitely somewhere in the Hakka/Altare/Axel range, but I don’t know where
I think he may be one year younger than Shinri based on PL info, but that still puts him in his 30s.
More PL age discussion
Didn’t Shinri PL say he was 34 turning 35 this year? Plus somebody in the old site found a 10+ years old post from Tavi PL where he stated his age at the time. He may be 34 now.
As a bonus, Gibby may be celebrating or has already turned 30 this year. Jurard is older than Axel and maybe from the same year as Hakka. Jurard’s birth year was doxxed in the old site, but I don’t watch Hakka PL when he streams and only saw this tweet. I think Hakka is older by a few months while Jurard hasn’t celebrated his IRL birthday this year yet.
Axel’s the youngest given that he still attends uni. Earlier this year, he even accidentally doxxed what year he was when he said he was born the Year of the Dragon.
Shinri poor man, he didn’t dare to make collab because most of the game he like to play wasn’t on interest for other and he was afraid bored them out of it with his game paces (cause he read, analyze and make his own theory out of with a minimal information because its still early gameplay which end up 70/80% correct)
I love you Shinri but I hope after ACOTAR you find something better to read. It’s a great series to get back into the swing of reading again after a long time (and it was for me) but in hindsight I can recognize it was just a stepping stone for much better books.
i would like to apologize to the yume betellions rn. i understand you. i miss shinri. i feel like the longer hes away, the more i NEED him. i really hope hes doing well and taking his time (hoping he doesnt feel bad for being away for too long, because he has before!). i want to embrace him, kiss him on the forehead, caress his hair and tell him its going to be okay….
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA SOMEONE PLEASE LOBOTOMIZE ME HOLY FUCk (;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)
Axel has lamented not having a schedule for the past month, and he usually is much happier and productive when he has one. I know part of it was that he didn’t have any games he was excited to play, so hopefully (fingers crossed) this is a return to form.
Okay which anon broke containment to post this on main and on youtube on Bettel’s week in review? Are you the mane-san? I’m dying from second hand embarassment
the comment in spoilers
>hearing you talk about how you don’t know the armis boys’ tastes at all was kind of disheartening seeing as they’re rapidly coming up on their one year anniversary, and brings into relief how you’ve not taken the time to stream with them at all outside of the giant fuckfest collabs where everybody’s screaming. it would be nice if you could do more one-on-ones with the boys in that weekly external collab slot instead of just hanging with bettel2 every week. as you’re planning for the future and said you’re not going away anymore, maybe november could become your thanksgiving for holostars focus month and you could touch base with all the members and do month in review with VG or something.
No, he’s hanging out with Magni and Bettel2 too much. Bettel needs to get his shit together, he’s in an entertainment company where it’s his job to collab with everyone in his branch.
Again, the main point of this is that Bettel, when he does collab, chooses to collab with Bettel 2 over any of the other boys. And it’s not like it’s a once in a while thing, let’s be clear on that. It’s constant enough that there are Bettelion and Tempura who are clearly tired of seeing him do collabs with his brother by default rather than with VG, Shiny Spicy, Tempus as a whole, or even Armis. (I say ‘tired of’ for lack of a better term at the moment.)
Yes, there are girls who barely collab, no one is shitting on them for that. But when those girls do collab, they aren’t chosing their family member over and over again, they’re doing stuff with other talents or indies.
And before you go “well it’s not that much”, I happened to look because curiosity, and, no hyperbole, Bettel has done more one on one collabs with Bettel 2 than with almost the entirety of the people in his branch. Altare, Axel, Hakka, Shinri, and all of Armis have single digit numbers. Flayon is in the double digits, but Bettel 2 beats Flayon by something like +10 VODs
You know, it’s weird that everyone was having a civil conversation but when the “REEEEE LET CONNOR COLLAB WITH WHOEVER HE WANTS” fans come in, everything gets shitted up.
Civil: “I’d like to see him collab with the rest of Tempus/Armis, not Bettel 2” “The message could have been presented better, but I agree” “people should suggest others instead of screaming Bettel 2 in chat as the main suggestion all the time”
Newer comments: “are you his mommy/manager?” “How selfish” “don’t make me tap the sign *irrelevant tweet to the situation*” “I’m sick of people telling Bettel what to do ” “*irrelevantly brings up Shinri/Flayon/Goldbullet for some reason*” “decades of experience and he doesn’t know what he’s doing”
This shit is so annoying, I’m so tired of people telling Bettel what to do. I’m sure he’s sick of it, too, even as a people pleaser. He’s very open to suggestions, so they really didn’t have to do this. “I wanna see you do more collabs” etc. was all they had to say. I’m a bit biased I guess since I look forward to sibling sundays, but still.
lmao the point is bettel keeps saying he wants to collab but never acts on it then complains about not knowing much about them. this is a him problem, we’re just pointing it out 🤷♀️
I don’t see him saying the same to Shinri or Flayon, much less to GB who literally won’t collab with anyone outside genmated. Vesper was way worse, bro never said a peep
Anon, people don’t say that about those boys because they don’t shoehorn their just some guy brother into streams every week instead of collabing with their actual genmates
I can agree on Shinri but saying Flayon rarely collabs seems odd to me.
Shinri organized the StarsEN 7 Days To Die collab so he’s putting more effort now. Don’t forget Grounded because neither Axel, Ruze or Octavio are his genmates. He’s had Escape the Backrooms with Gibby, Hunt Showdown with Ruze, and Greatest Penguin Heist with Gibby, Ruze and Hakka – all in 2024.
Flayon didn’t join 7DTD but he’s had multiple 1 on 1 collabs with Jurard and Octavio. With Jurard: an art collab in Jurard’s channel, Chained Together, and the privated DBZ collab. With Tavi: 4 streams of The House in Fata Morgana + 1 episode of OcTalks. There were also, from this year alone
Content Warning with Ruze, ERB and Bettel
Apex turned Lethal Company with Jurard and Ollie
Zelda: 4 Swords that was half VG (he and Hakka), half ARMIS (Ruze and Gibby)
DS3 with Gibby (I don’t recall this but it’s in both their channels)
GBF Relink with Axel
If I include outside collabs in 2024: Shinri was in Wrestletuber, Flayon was in the Avallum Cup, both of them were in GTA VTRP. Flay had 1 on 1 collabs with Jun Akane (ex-Prism Project), Bonnie Barkswell (globie) and her PL. He also had a Party Animals collab with Ollie, Rie and Lia (Phase Connect), and a FF14 collab with Tavi, Merry and GirlDM. If these aren’t enough then we have different standards on amount of collabs.
Yes, but in perspective Bettel has collabed and organized collabs too, and participated both in inner and outer collabs.
The Collab Beggars are doing a fake claim that he doesn’t collab enough with Armis, but Bettel has collabed just as many times as most as the rest of HQ/VG, but they place this weird expectation on him that he should do even MORE collabs and only zeroing on him, when ALL the boys have the right to collab with whoever they like and feel comfortable with.
They are not Ken dolls for people to project. Throwing money at people for you to live bicurously is not….nice
No, what they’re saying is instead of him constantly defaulting to Bettel 2 for duo collabs, they’d like to see, you know, him interacting with the other members of the branch he’s in. He’s done a grand total of one non-full branch collab with Armis when they’ve been here for almost a year, and that was with Flayon and Liz included. And it isn’t like this is HoloJP or EN where there are 50+/20+ members, so there’s a solid chance people don’t interact. There are 10 people total in this branch. There’s literally no reason he can’t throw out an invitation to the other 9 guys to play something with him.
>”There are 10 people total in this branch”
I know what I wrote and what I meant when I wrote it. There are 9 other people in a 10 person branch he can collab with if he wants to collab with someone. He should prioritize Armis but that doesn’t negate anything I said otherwise.
“Why strimmer no collab with gen/branch/company-mate” is a pretty common thing. Collab begging or backseat managing is cringe but this comment seems respectful enough. Not nearly as bad as actual containment breaks.
Unpopular opinion: a talents family member(s) shouldn’t show up on a talents channel as much or more than their genmates or branch mates. Especially to the point they have dedicated yumes and have enough fan merch to make fucking oshi shrines of them. That’s insane.
At this point it’s not even collab begging, it’s wanting Bettel to interact with the people he’s in an entertainment job with.
(Comment OP) I’d love to hear the counterargument anyone has that doesn’t involve the main takeaway being “Bettel can collab with whoever he wants” or “well it’s his brother and he loves him of course he wants to collab with him all the time”.
Bettel 2 is popular and whenever he appears the channel makes a lot of money. since both are living in the same house as brothers it’s a win-win situation for them
I’m saying this as someone who kamioshis him, this commenter is right and the fact that it’s getting a bit of traction on youtube right now does show that other people agree and might be too scared to showcase their opinion because of harassment or something else. He’s not lost without criticism as the other boys have gotten before and generally is pretty receptive towards it for the most part. I personally get disappointed when he says stuff like “I wanna do more collabs or month in review with ARMIS” and then never follows up on it. Love the guy but he needs this lol.
I get where the commenter is coming from because i’ve had some frustration from him not really doing stars collabs and only focusing on B2 as his main collab partner when he’s not even a member of stars but this just not the way to do it. I know the commenter in question is one of his big donors though so I do wonder if he’ll listen or ignore it? At the very least he said he wanted to collab with tavi, ruze and jurard more but alas he says it and then never follows up on it truly so lord knows.
I get that, it’s why I said that it was the wrong way to go about it. Definitely just suggesting for people who he could play with or not suggesting B2 when he’s doing his schedules on stream would be more beneficial for everyone. I do think he’s not not collabing out of malice or anything, don’t think he hates the boys or whatever but he just seems out of the loop and more busy with external projects a lot of the time which is fine if that’s what helps keep him sane.
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Since there’s been a discussion on collabs here’s a little list on which boys have done the most stars collabs this year for tempus, I can make one for armis as well my qualifications is that the collab must contain atleast one stars en or jp member to be considered a stars collab and this is not including nuked or unarchived vods
Axel: 40
Altare: 27
Bettel: 17
Flayon: 23
Hakka: 27
Shinri: 18
Ps, if wanted I can include the nuked vods and updated list and this is only truly counting those who have the vods up on their channels for this.
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That’s kind of interesting to me just from a data perspective. The average of that would be ~25 Stars collabs, putting both Shinri and Bettel more than 25% below the average of Tempus as a whole.
Pondering the various factors that could be contributing to it could be fun. Part of it is definitely just the games they prefer playing, like someone else already mentioned. The fact it’s the two oldest(?) boys left also attracts my attention, but I’m not sure if there’s any causation to that correlation.
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I do think it’s just games that they like to play debuff. Shinri leans towards more story based games where you can really take your time and flesh things out on your own and or games that are good to zatsu to like minecraft and while the minecraft collabs are my fave there’s only a few boys who play it regularly and at the same time. Bettel leans into nostalgia for a lot of his games he plays on stream or stuff he knows he’ll be good at outside of viewer requested stuff that he asks for. I like the age theory though considering if we took that into account flayon being 3rd would slot right into place since he’s 3rd oldest iirc? Correct me if i’m wrong. Side note, if Bettel and Shinri collabed more I would be healed. COD black ops with the boys when.
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Yeah! Possibly strengthening the argument from the opposite perspective, I believe Axel is the youngest in Tempus by a little bit, and he’s uh. 60% above the average, pulling the entire center upward.
If Altare or Hakka is actually younger than him, someone please correct me on that.
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Axel is the youngest in Tempus and I think of StarsEN in general? I would also like to say that he has seeked out collabs more than the other boys and said that’s one of the things that he really loves doing is collabs with the boys. It’s why he looks opon peak HQ times so fondly probably. Hakka and Altare are around the same age I think.
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I think the age range is something like:
– Shinri: early 30s
– Bettel: late late 20s (I think 28/29?)
– Flayon: mid 20s, probably a couple of years under Bettel (so 26/27)
– Hakka: I swear I saw back when VG debuted that he was mid 20s, so it’s very likely he’s the same age range as Flayon if not close (25/26)
– Altare: 1 year older than Axel I believe, so 25
– Axel: absolutely the youngest at 24
But it definitely is that there’s an age split at Shinri/Bettel/Flayon and Hakka/Altare/Axel.
Bonus, as I think if you add in Armis:
– Goldbullet: somewhere in-between Shinri and Bettel
– Ruze: somewhere in-between Bettel and Flayon
– Octavio: closer to Flayon’s age or the same range as Ruze
– Jurard: he’s definitely somewhere in the Hakka/Altare/Axel range, but I don’t know where
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i think flayon was born in ’96 (so 28, and bettel is 1 or 2 years older)
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yeah hakka was born 1998 so that checks out at least
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isn’t Octavio on his 30s? pretty sure he’s at least as old as Shinri
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I think he may be one year younger than Shinri based on PL info, but that still puts him in his 30s.
As a bonus, Gibby may be celebrating or has already turned 30 this year. Jurard is older than Axel and maybe from the same year as Hakka. Jurard’s birth year was doxxed in the old site, but I don’t watch Hakka PL when he streams and only saw this tweet. I think Hakka is older by a few months while Jurard hasn’t celebrated his IRL birthday this year yet.
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Octavio is a millennial btw.
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Axel’s the youngest given that he still attends uni. Earlier this year, he even accidentally doxxed what year he was when he said he was born the Year of the Dragon.
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I do know what you mean, but you can attend university/college at any age, so that wouldn’t be a good indicator.
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Shinri poor man, he didn’t dare to make collab because most of the game he like to play wasn’t on interest for other and he was afraid bored them out of it with his game paces (cause he read, analyze and make his own theory out of with a minimal information because its still early gameplay which end up 70/80% correct)
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Freaking Aniki with two times more than anyone else is crazy! Puts into perspective how much he collabs.
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Axel really doing the JPstarsmaxxing, I haven’t realized how much.
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I love you Shinri but I hope after ACOTAR you find something better to read. It’s a great series to get back into the swing of reading again after a long time (and it was for me) but in hindsight I can recognize it was just a stepping stone for much better books.
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and if its just smut that he wants, theres plenty of good, free smut on ao3 thats leaps and bounds better than acotar
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Absolutely insane to me that people look at the smut in acotar and go “oh yeah that’s written well”. I could (and have done) better.
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i would like to apologize to the yume betellions rn. i understand you. i miss shinri. i feel like the longer hes away, the more i NEED him. i really hope hes doing well and taking his time (hoping he doesnt feel bad for being away for too long, because he has before!). i want to embrace him, kiss him on the forehead, caress his hair and tell him its going to be okay….
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA SOMEONE PLEASE LOBOTOMIZE ME HOLY FUCk (;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)
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A bit late but Hakka was a guest in idolES Taiga’s birthday karaoke. They sing Daddy! Daddy! Do!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_pe2Nqqsg&t=2638s
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Protostar Twilight is now officially a HoloIndie game. It will be on Steam next month!
https://x.com/holoindie_ccmc/status/1838424700814528823
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I’m glad to see Altare and Axel posting their schedules again.
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Axel has lamented not having a schedule for the past month, and he usually is much happier and productive when he has one. I know part of it was that he didn’t have any games he was excited to play, so hopefully (fingers crossed) this is a return to form.
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Okay which anon broke containment to post this on main and on youtube on Bettel’s week in review? Are you the mane-san? I’m dying from second hand embarassment
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No, he’s hanging out with Magni and Bettel2 too much. Bettel needs to get his shit together, he’s in an entertainment company where it’s his job to collab with everyone in his branch.
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What are you gonna do? Fire him?
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but it isnt his job? there’s girls in hololive that barely collab at all except for mandatory stuff and no one cares.
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Again, the main point of this is that Bettel, when he does collab, chooses to collab with Bettel 2 over any of the other boys. And it’s not like it’s a once in a while thing, let’s be clear on that. It’s constant enough that there are Bettelion and Tempura who are clearly tired of seeing him do collabs with his brother by default rather than with VG, Shiny Spicy, Tempus as a whole, or even Armis. (I say ‘tired of’ for lack of a better term at the moment.)
Yes, there are girls who barely collab, no one is shitting on them for that. But when those girls do collab, they aren’t chosing their family member over and over again, they’re doing stuff with other talents or indies.
And before you go “well it’s not that much”, I happened to look because curiosity, and, no hyperbole, Bettel has done more one on one collabs with Bettel 2 than with almost the entirety of the people in his branch. Altare, Axel, Hakka, Shinri, and all of Armis have single digit numbers. Flayon is in the double digits, but Bettel 2 beats Flayon by something like +10 VODs
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Cover doesn’t care, why should we.
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The funniest part of this whole blow up is that any of you think Bettel is even gonna read that comment
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You know, it’s weird that everyone was having a civil conversation but when the “REEEEE LET CONNOR COLLAB WITH WHOEVER HE WANTS” fans come in, everything gets shitted up.
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“He can collab with whoever he wants” is not civil?
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Civil: “I’d like to see him collab with the rest of Tempus/Armis, not Bettel 2” “The message could have been presented better, but I agree” “people should suggest others instead of screaming Bettel 2 in chat as the main suggestion all the time”
Newer comments: “are you his mommy/manager?” “How selfish” “don’t make me tap the sign *irrelevant tweet to the situation*” “I’m sick of people telling Bettel what to do ” “*irrelevantly brings up Shinri/Flayon/Goldbullet for some reason*” “decades of experience and he doesn’t know what he’s doing”
I dunno man, you tell me.
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Yeah, they shouldn’t bring up Shinri/Flayon/Goldbullet. Bring “civil” topic instead.
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You call that civil?
“I’d like to see him collab with the rest of Tempus/Armis, NOT Bettel 2”
“people SHOULD suggest others instead of SCREAMING Bettel 2 in chat as the main suggestion ALL THE TIME”
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I genuinely don’t think you understand what ‘civil’ means.
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“I genuinely don’t think you understand what ‘civil’ means.”
That’s very civil.
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It is! Very good! 👏
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Thanks. See? I know what civil is.
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He knows nothing even with decades of experience, someone needs to remind him. Nothing wrong with that.
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Are you his mommy?
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Don’t Make Me Tap The Sign
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This shit is so annoying, I’m so tired of people telling Bettel what to do. I’m sure he’s sick of it, too, even as a people pleaser. He’s very open to suggestions, so they really didn’t have to do this. “I wanna see you do more collabs” etc. was all they had to say. I’m a bit biased I guess since I look forward to sibling sundays, but still.
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lmao the point is bettel keeps saying he wants to collab but never acts on it then complains about not knowing much about them. this is a him problem, we’re just pointing it out 🤷♀️
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Armis don’t need him atp, he’s not perfect.
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this isn’t the first time i’ve seen this commenter boss him around and it’s starting to get on my nerves
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* no pressure btw
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Never in all my life did I imagine that BNF to be the Collab Schizo
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I can’t stop laughing
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What a selfless bettelion
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selfish* ftfy
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Selfless for manager posting? Sure /s
I don’t see him saying the same to Shinri or Flayon, much less to GB who literally won’t collab with anyone outside genmated. Vesper was way worse, bro never said a peep
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Anon, people don’t say that about those boys because they don’t shoehorn their just some guy brother into streams every week instead of collabing with their actual genmates
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Why Shinri and Flayon?
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They rarely collab especially outside genmates or Altare.
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“They rarely collab except for when they collab with the other people in StarsEN.”
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I can agree on Shinri but saying Flayon rarely collabs seems odd to me.
Shinri organized the StarsEN 7 Days To Die collab so he’s putting more effort now. Don’t forget Grounded because neither Axel, Ruze or Octavio are his genmates. He’s had Escape the Backrooms with Gibby, Hunt Showdown with Ruze, and Greatest Penguin Heist with Gibby, Ruze and Hakka – all in 2024.
Flayon didn’t join 7DTD but he’s had multiple 1 on 1 collabs with Jurard and Octavio. With Jurard: an art collab in Jurard’s channel, Chained Together, and the privated DBZ collab. With Tavi: 4 streams of The House in Fata Morgana + 1 episode of OcTalks. There were also, from this year alone
If I include outside collabs in 2024: Shinri was in Wrestletuber, Flayon was in the Avallum Cup, both of them were in GTA VTRP. Flay had 1 on 1 collabs with Jun Akane (ex-Prism Project), Bonnie Barkswell (globie) and her PL. He also had a Party Animals collab with Ollie, Rie and Lia (Phase Connect), and a FF14 collab with Tavi, Merry and GirlDM. If these aren’t enough then we have different standards on amount of collabs.
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good comment but axel and shinri count as genmates imo
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Yes, but in perspective Bettel has collabed and organized collabs too, and participated both in inner and outer collabs.
The Collab Beggars are doing a fake claim that he doesn’t collab enough with Armis, but Bettel has collabed just as many times as most as the rest of HQ/VG, but they place this weird expectation on him that he should do even MORE collabs and only zeroing on him, when ALL the boys have the right to collab with whoever they like and feel comfortable with.
They are not Ken dolls for people to project. Throwing money at people for you to live bicurously is not….nice
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No, what they’re saying is instead of him constantly defaulting to Bettel 2 for duo collabs, they’d like to see, you know, him interacting with the other members of the branch he’s in. He’s done a grand total of one non-full branch collab with Armis when they’ve been here for almost a year, and that was with Flayon and Liz included. And it isn’t like this is HoloJP or EN where there are 50+/20+ members, so there’s a solid chance people don’t interact. There are 10 people total in this branch. There’s literally no reason he can’t throw out an invitation to the other 9 guys to play something with him.
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“to the other 9 guys”?
You mean ‘to the other 4 guys’
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Altare, Axel, Flayon, Hakka, Shinri, Jurard, Goldbullet, Octavio, Ruze = 9 people
Reading comprehension is a thing.
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Jurard, Goldbullet, Octavio, Ruze = 4 people
Reading comprehension is a thing.
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>”There are 10 people total in this branch”
I know what I wrote and what I meant when I wrote it. There are 9 other people in a 10 person branch he can collab with if he wants to collab with someone. He should prioritize Armis but that doesn’t negate anything I said otherwise.
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“There are 9 other people in a 10 person branch he can collab with”
You talk about collab right? Then don’t bring tempus boys into this, that’s confusing because he did collabs with each of them.
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None of what I said was confusing.
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On the bright side, Bettel has indicated he’s going to at least be trying DnD for Ruze’s Holomarches collabs.
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He said that too last year about armis
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well they aren’t wrong and im glad its one of his biggest donos saying this. may this give him the reality check he needs
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“Why strimmer no collab with gen/branch/company-mate” is a pretty common thing. Collab begging or backseat managing is cringe but this comment seems respectful enough. Not nearly as bad as actual containment breaks.
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Unpopular opinion: a talents family member(s) shouldn’t show up on a talents channel as much or more than their genmates or branch mates. Especially to the point they have dedicated yumes and have enough fan merch to make fucking oshi shrines of them. That’s insane.
At this point it’s not even collab begging, it’s wanting Bettel to interact with the people he’s in an entertainment job with.
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(Comment OP) I’d love to hear the counterargument anyone has that doesn’t involve the main takeaway being “Bettel can collab with whoever he wants” or “well it’s his brother and he loves him of course he wants to collab with him all the time”.
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Bettel 2 is popular and whenever he appears the channel makes a lot of money. since both are living in the same house as brothers it’s a win-win situation for them
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You can die from second hand embarrassment all you want, but everything they said is correct.
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I’m saying this as someone who kamioshis him, this commenter is right and the fact that it’s getting a bit of traction on youtube right now does show that other people agree and might be too scared to showcase their opinion because of harassment or something else. He’s not lost without criticism as the other boys have gotten before and generally is pretty receptive towards it for the most part. I personally get disappointed when he says stuff like “I wanna do more collabs or month in review with ARMIS” and then never follows up on it. Love the guy but he needs this lol.
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I’m glad someone said it and it was one of his bnfs that he regularly interacts with so maybe it will make him actually think about it
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I get where the commenter is coming from because i’ve had some frustration from him not really doing stars collabs and only focusing on B2 as his main collab partner when he’s not even a member of stars but this just not the way to do it. I know the commenter in question is one of his big donors though so I do wonder if he’ll listen or ignore it? At the very least he said he wanted to collab with tavi, ruze and jurard more but alas he says it and then never follows up on it truly so lord knows.
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No matter the money, posting that stuff in public like this tend to make creators dig their heels and double down instead of changing…
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I get that, it’s why I said that it was the wrong way to go about it. Definitely just suggesting for people who he could play with or not suggesting B2 when he’s doing his schedules on stream would be more beneficial for everyone. I do think he’s not not collabing out of malice or anything, don’t think he hates the boys or whatever but he just seems out of the loop and more busy with external projects a lot of the time which is fine if that’s what helps keep him sane.
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aniki love
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we love excel !!
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We love spreadsheets!!
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wish he’d spread out on my sheets
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i love axel spreadcheeks!
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